Wednesday 19 May 2010

No 9846, Wednesday 19 May 10, Gridman

ACROSS
1   - Girl's training men on safety-first electrical devices (8) - {ADA}{PT}{OR}{S}

6   - A great many development units (4) - LOTS [DD]
9   - Some of the best RAF engineers attack from the air (6) - STRAFE [B]
10 - Mate rejects objection to a kind of washing machine (4-3) - {TWIN} {TUB<-}
13 - Listen secretly: ladies heard to prod weirdly (9) - (~eves)(EAVES}{DROP*}

14 - She will take and revise notes (9) - STENO* Nice clue
15 - What an ivory-poacher may look for (4) - TUSK [CD]
16 - In section, prying police's overlooking one package deliverable by mail (6,4) - {PAR{CEL POSi*}T}
19 - Thin fights over work period (5,5) - NIGHT SHIFT*
21 - Big star Bard's river reflected (4) - NOVA<-
24 - Chekhov the writer, for one (5) - ANTON [E]
25 - Mistake in supervision (9) - OVERSIGHT [DD]
26 - Nil parent puzzled at work (7) - {O}{PERANT*}
27 - Put a couple of letters in search engine for laundry additive (6) - {B{L}{U}ING} I always thought it was just Blue
28 - Perched back on top of kiosk for a difficult job (4) - {TAS<-}{K}
29 - French capitalist? (8) - PARISIAN [CD] Smart
DOWN
2   - Sort of cases District Superintendent involves upstart Evita in (7) - D{ATIVE<-}S New word for me
3   - Party leader to step up for tribute (6) - {P}{RAISE}
4   - Outwit Rev. Horace somehow (9) - OVERREACH*
5   - Pay attention to ab exercise? (3,2) - SIT UP [DD]
7   - Constantly moving, he got no break (2,3,2) - ON THE GO* Nice clue
8   - Not the main business agreements (12) - SUBCONTRACTS [E]
11 - One new single boot part (6) - {I}{N}{SOLE}
12 - Falling into illness but not confined to bed? (7,5) - {GETTING} {A}{BOUT}
17 - Brown's restriction on where you may get a refreshing drink (6,3) - {COFFEE} {BAR}
18 - Poem unit's function variable in appeal (6) - {S{TAN}{Z}A}
20 - Picks up information on gun belonging to the woman (7) - {GAT}{HERS}
22 - Material for The Hindu, say, on Zambia? (7) - {ORGAN}{ZA}
23 - Questions about offspring succeeded (6) - ISSUES [DD] Why succeeded?
25 - Available: old books on Andhra Pradesh (2,3) - {O}{N T}{AP}

41 comments:

  1. Deepak
    Full marks to you for pic selection.
    Hint to readers: you may or may not be aware that by clicking on the image, it opens in a pop-up window where the pic is enlarged and text in balloons becomes readable.
    Re the question 'why succeeded' I shall let Richard wax eloquent over the issue!

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  2. Hey! For 29ac, Anokha too has the very same remark!

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  3. Good morning friends:

    14A - I too found it nice.

    26A - New word for me.

    27A - Couldn't think of this. How couldn't remember Bing?

    29A - Good one.

    2D - Deepak, an important entry in Wren and Martin

    5D - Kind of clues we got to sit up and take note.

    7D - Liked this.

    20D - Good one, yet got it on surface reading alone.

    22D - Material for The Hindu, say, on Zambia? (7) - {ORGAN}{ZA} - I thought only mouthpieces of political parties or institutions were called organs. What does our senior journalist-friend CV feel about it?

    23 - Questions about offspring succeeded (6) - ISSUES [DD] Gridman has succeeded in confusing us here. CV: I prepared this post before reading your comment

    25 - Available: old books on Andhra Pradesh (2,3) - {O}{N T}{AP} - It always amuses me when, in crosswords, the New Testament (NT) is being referred to as old books

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  4. Nice crossword!!

    10A: Twin tub? Top seller!!! LOL. I really wonder who uses it these days.

    27A: Took me a long time. Never heard of it (bluing) before. Seriously, who'd want want their white fabric to look blue?

    29A: This was a tricky one. Never seen the word "capitalist" used that way.

    22D: What's the connection between "The Hindu" and organ? Could someone explain?

    23D: I think it's ISSUE + S (ISSUE from offspring and S from succeeded)

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  5. Further to my 8:51 post on The Hindu and organ:

    The Hindu may have its political leanings, but it can hardly be called an organ in the strict sense of the term.

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  6. @VJ,
    You may be right there, however, "Questions about offspring" would have given the same answer ISSUES

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  7. Enjoying the preciseness of the solutions the past couple of days in comparison to the past week and a half.

    @Richard: On 25Dn, I think Gridman in this case only intended for "books" to be interpreted as "NT", with "old" being used to clue "O".

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  8. Questions about offspring succeeded (6) ISSUE S

    The point is ISSUE in the sense of offspring (or children) takes the same form as both singular and plural. It is wrong to say "All my issues are living and working in the U.S. while I am languishing in a home for the aged here in Chennai". So 'offspring' will - or must - yield only ISSUE. 'Succeeded' gives S. It is an accepted abbreviation. You will find it in genealogical notes (e.g., XXXXX (b. 1943, Coimbatore), m. Gita (1977), two ss., one d., s. Gopal...)

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  9. CV, Maybe now you have succeeded in convincing us.

    Incidentally, offspring also takes the same form in singular and plural. Some other examples: deer, sheep, bison, salmon, trout,
    swine, aircraft....

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  10. 14 A (9) instead of 5 made me think of secretary initially.

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  11. @ Veer, yes, you are right. I stand corrected.

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  12. Deepak, I missed complimenting you on the pictures.

    15A - What an ivory-poacher may look for (4) - TUSK [CD]

    I guess the tusker gets a familiar feeling because the piano keys were made of ivory in the olden days. Can someone confirm this?

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  13. Chaturvasi, nice explanation. All issues cleared up I reckon

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  14. Giridhar
    The enu at the end of 14a must be a misprint attributable at the editing stage as Gridman is generally very careful about word divisions and use or non-use of hyphens, apostrophes, etc. Sorry!

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  15. Richard, you're right. They use Ivory no more.

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  16. Even chess pieces were made of ivory, I guess.

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  17. 23Dn: Very nice subtlety that I did not see when solving. Explanation from CVasi Sir did lay it out clearly. I guess, offspring is referred to as issue only in a very formal sense and hence in informal sentences, it is difficult to substitute "issue" for "offspring". For instance, in the example sentence given by CVasi Sir, "offspring" works very well, but "issue" or "issues" do not sound so correct in its place.
    But works better in a formal sentence: The poor, elderly gentleman in the old age home bequeathed all his fortune to The Hindu's charity trust as he died without issue.

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  18. Richard
    Leaving aside other meanings of organ, one meaning of the word is "a means of communicating information or opinions, eg a newspaper" (Chambers). So I think Gridman is justified in the usage.
    True, we speak of political parties or other organisations having organs which act as mouthpieces for their views but that is a different matter.
    I rest my case (accusative, if you will!).

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  19. veer
    I agree with you. Certainly your example sentence uses the word issue in a better context.
    Hoewever, in India people use the word in the manner that I mentioned.

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  20. Nice crossword on the whole with 14 D being my fav. A minor quibble

    Put a couple of letters in search engine for laundry additive (6) - {B{L}{U}ING}

    Using 'couple of letters' to give two random(I think) letters is a bit lazy and unimaginative, which is the last thing one would associate with Gridman. Gridman must have got carried away with the surface or is there something I am missing?

    Also in 19 Ac, can 'over' by itself be an anagram indicator? overturn, overthrow, yes! but just 'over'?

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  21. maddy
    Gridman may have been lazy but he also has a point!
    In search boxes what do we put? Word or sometimes even letters as technology has improved so vastly that when I put a word in a translation software it recognises the original language!
    So in the context of an input in a search engine, 'a couple of letters' seems to be apt!

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  22. @ Vasi sir, I was talking from a purely cryptic point of view. For the surface it is perfect, I acknowledged that in my earlier post also.

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  23. Coming back to the issue of issues!!

    Can issues be used in place of offspring in the following sentence?

    How many offspring did he have?
    will it be
    How many issues did he have?
    or
    How many issue did he have?
    or is it that
    Issue cannot be used in the above sentence?

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  24. One thing's for sure...

    Too many offspring = lot of issues. In this sense, the words are pretty much interchangeable.

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  25. On second thoughts I guess the answer is

    'How many issue did he have?'

    Issue closed!

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  26. Issue closed ! Oversubscribed?

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  27. @ Chaturvasi and Venkatesh

    I wonder if you have noticed this. Perhaps not.

    Remember Sir Eric Conran-Smith? His granddaughter, Deb Gill, possibly from a Google search, appears to have bumped into your exchange of information on this blog on Apr 27.

    In a later post, she says she is planning to visit Chennai with her brother and sister this December. She wants to see the Conran-Smith Road before its name is changed.

    I suggest you click a photograph of the road-sign carrying that name before the re-naming takes place and preserve it. That could be the best gift for her, in the event you meet her during her visit.

    Read it yourselves.

    http://thehinducrosswordcorner.blogspot.com/2010/04/no-9827-tuesday-27-apr-10-neyartha.html

    It's amazing to see this blog bring together a number of people hitherto unknown to each other or those who otherwise would never have got to know each other.

    Congrats, Deeepak, yet again!

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  28. Thanks, Richard.
    I had not seen Deb Gill's post under the old thread.

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  29. Richard,
    How come you went back to to the Apr 27th post? Deb Gill has posted her comment on May 3rd so it is not likely anyone would see it.

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  30. @ It was just a chance find !

    I was Google-searching for more details on the late J P Lasrado Shenoy, one-time Commissioner of Madras Corporation and my distant relative, about whom I had posted on this blog on April 27. It led to me to her post, which I immediately conveyed here.

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  31. Correction: 'It led me to her post....'

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  32. When I write a post for BD's blog, whenever there is a Comment - however old the post is - there is an email notification to me.

    Deepak, see if there is any similar facility in Blogger so that you as admin and also the writer of each day's post get an email notification when there is a comment.

    Difficult to handle the volume of emails, of course.

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  33. That is Wordpress. My own blogs on Wordpress too has a similar facility.

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  34. Blogger too has the facility but I do not intend activating it as it will clutter up my inbox.

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  35. That it is a laborious exercise to keep track of the emails is understandable. But should you sometime decide to go for such an arrangement you can open another ID - dedicated to this alone. :-)

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  36. No, Richard.
    It becomes very difficult to handle the volume of emails.
    When I was blogging for BD on DT, each post used to attract some 50plus comments. very pleasant to read them on the website itself. But a task to shift those notifications from the Inbox.
    And when you have read them on the website, you tend to mark these as read in the Mailbox or delete them. If the one on the old post is among those many notifications, you will still miss it unless you open it and see: opening these notifications after having read the Comments on the website is double work.
    It is wise to keep them out of the Inbox.
    The experienced and the thoughtful will post a Comment under a new post by taking up the thread from an old one so the blogger and others don't miss it.

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  37. Thanks CV. it was meant for humour, with a smiley.

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  38. Col,
    Could you elaborate on the anno for 1Ac- specifically how does one arrive at "OR" and how does Girl's equate to "ADA" and not "ADAS". TIA.

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  39. @Ramya,
    A girls name is ADA, the apostrophe in Girl's need not necessarily indicate ADA'S. Read about the apostrophe at CROSSWORD UNCLUED

    Men = Other Ranks = OR

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