Sunday 12 September 2010

Sunday 12 Sep 10, No 1314, TOI Sunday Cryptic of 05 Sep 10


NOTE FOR TODAY
1 - EACH COMMENTER IS ALLOWED TO SUBMIT TWO ANSWERS WITH ANNOTATIONS. 
2 - NO GRID IS BEING PROVIDED. 
3 - THE MAIN POST WILL BE CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED FROM 9:30 AM ONWARDS, DULY SHOWING THE ANSWERS GIVEN AND AVAILABLE CROSSINGS FOR THE UNSOLVED CLUES.
Happy solving.
ACROSS
1 - Superior gamblers (7) - BETTERS [DD]
5 - A policeman with debts, more than enough (7) - {COP}{IOUS}
9 - Possibly a tropical fruit (7) - APRICOT* There seems to be an extra L in the anagram fodder
10 - Strange native with eastern simplicity (7) - {NAIVET*}{E}
11 - Depicted as haggard-looking (5) - DRAWN [DD]
12 - One who only imagines he'd like to be king? (9) - PRETENDER [CD]
13 - Dash about to promote a bit of a fight? (3,6) - {RUN} {A}{ROUND}
15 - Be afraid of disturbing an adder (5) - DREAD*
16 - The most noted of all the arts (5) - MUSIC [CD]
18 - A roundabout way to come in (9) - TURNSTILE [CD]
21 - I object to a form of anger that's a beastly show (9) - {ME}{NAGER*}{IE}
24 - Race result (5) -  EVENT [DD]
25 - I possibly sail around on an intrigue (7) - {LIA{I}S*}{ON}
26 - A big hit, poetry that is fashionable (1,2,4) - {A} {LA M}{ODE}
27 - Arrange to get rid of (7) - DISPOSE [DD]
28 - Operations centre (7) - THEATRE [E]
DOWN
1 - He's not invited on to a ship, but pays for his keep (7) - BOARDER [DD]
2 - Land a trainer badly (7) - TERRAIN*
3 - Crank, socially and mechanically (9) - ECCENTRIC [DD]
4 - Be alert and put off retirement (3,2) - SIT UP [CD]
5 - A hundred on offer puts you in the running (9) - {C}{ON}{TENDER}
6 - Sin of a group of lions? (5) - PRIDE [DD]
7 - Time the bowler started? More than time! (7) - {OVER}{DUE}
8 - Like sheep are in a shed? (7) - {SHE{ARE}ED} &lit
14 - Statement re cut in a net perhaps (9) - UTTERANCE*
15 - Change of speed leads to rate that's reckless (9) - {DESPE*}{RATE}
16 - Mother apparently cut herself, but didn't say clearly (7) - {MUM}{BLED}
17 - Use sand to make ice creams! (7) - SUNDAES*
19 - Refrigerator ship? (7) - ICEBOAT [CD]
20 - Going to great lengths at either end (7) - EXTREME [DD]
22 - Gout's disrupting one's zest for life (5) - GUSTO*
23 - Take only what is right (5) - EXACT [DD]

92 comments:

  1. 1 - Superior gamblers (7)BETTERS (DD)
    5 - A policeman with debts, more than enough (7)COP-IOUS

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  2. 1 - Superior gamblers (7)BETTERS (DD)
    5 - A policeman with debts, more than enough (7) (COP)(IOUS)

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  3. 25 - I possibly sail around on an intrigue (7){LIA(I)S<-}(ON)
    26 - A big bit, poetry that is fashionable (1,2,4) (A) (LA M)(ODE)

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  4. Good morning

    15A - Be afraid of disturbing an adder (5) -{DREAD*}

    2D - Land a trainer badly (7) - {TERRAIN*}

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  5. Nice new idea, Colonel. Two dds from me:

    6 - Sin of a group of lions? (5) PRIDE dd
    11 - Depicted as haggard-looking (5) DRAWN dd

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  6. Kishore and Venkatesh: Same two clues, at the same time, on the dot 08:33

    Great minds!

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  7. Richard: To let the feline out of the sack, I had done this CW last Sunday and decided to just put in the first two. So not much thinking was involved today.

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  8. Taking Shuchi's two answers and anagramming them:

    DRIED PRAWN

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  9. Thanks Kishore.

    10A and 17D - Got them on surface reading. Nice ones.

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  10. The compiler of this puzzle is the same as the one of the syndicated 13x crossword in the New Indian Express. Master of the CD and DD. Known for smooth surface readings.
    17 - Use sand to make ice creams! (7) SUNDAE* (well, not so smooth here!)
    22 - Gout's disrupting one's zest for life (5) GUSTO*
    A la Kishore, my anagram of the above two answers: GUESS: A DONUT!

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  11. I was waiting for the SUNDAE to be unleashed. Richard will confirm that a certain ice cream joint we both frequent serves SANDY NUTS.

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  12. BTW, DRIED PRAWN is not only anagram of PRIED DRAWN but also a Spoonerism of it. Maybe one of you will hazard to use this Spoonerism in a sentence.

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  13. My answers @ 08:37 make these two anagrams - ARDENT RAIDER and - a ludicrous - RETARDED RAIN.

    Yet another one I liked - 14D.

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  14. The malaise spreads, CV, now Richard OMG, this is worse than super bug

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  15. Kishore 08:58 - Some day we should organize a meet - HOGGERS and JOGGERS - with only ice cream at the Pabba's joint on the agenda - followed by a round of jogging on the adjacent Mangala stadium cinder track.

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  16. CV,

    17 - Use sand to make ice creams! (7) SUNDAE* Corr: SUNDAES

    The throught of icecream has made the CCE miss the number of letters. Now, he has to redo the anagram.

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  17. Richard you have the hansom before the nag, we cant jog after we hog. Post prandial jogging would be a distinct impossibility. So it has to Jog first. Otherwise Jog may become redundant.

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  18. But I like your selection of the name for the meet and eat.

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  19. Col
    Pl correct the spelling of 25A. It is {LIA(I)S<-}{ON}

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  20. Venkatesh (aka Srinivasaraghava) knows the Achilles's heel of CCE.
    Anyway, after the answer is corrected as SUNDAES (all the better: what I enjoyed most in my US trips was different varieties and flavours of ice cream: tubs abd tubs of them!) my anagram for SUNDAES GROUT is

    A STUD'S UNDONE!

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  21. Well, this is what happens when one's henpecked!

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  22. CV,

    We will not let you rest on your laurels.
    (SUNDAES GROUT)* is A STUD'S UNDONE!

    But, you have to give anagram for SUNDAES GUSTO

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  23. 10 - Strange native with eastern simplicity (7) - ??I????
    {NAIVET*}E

    13 - Dash about to promote a bit of a fight? (3,6) - ??N ?????? RUN, A ROUND

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  24. 9A - Possibly a tropical fruit (7) - ??R????

    I have guessed the answer. The clue appears to be faulty.

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  25. Woe unto me.

    I hope V will not find anything wrong:

    DOGS AUNTS USE

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  26. A learner causing unnecessary interference in that one ?

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  27. But CV, I liked the image of an undone stud after over-indulging in sundaes, if such a thing is possible.

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  28. Voila! Without the help of a grid, the following fell easily after looking at the crossings. I really liked all of them.

    21A - I object to a form of anger that's a beastly show (9) - ??N?G????
    1D - He's not invited on to a ship, but pays for his keep (7) - B???D??
    5D - A hundred on offer puts you in the running (9) - C????????
    7D - Time the bowler started? More than time! (7) - O?????E
    8D - Like sheep are in a shed? (7) - S?????D

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  29. No, I once knew a girl of that name.

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  30. The recent Conference in Chennai must have made CV think of that one.

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  31. Richard 0939:
    Oh, back to the college days when you read Twelfth Night?

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  32. CV, sigh! The days of Shakes and Fears!

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  33. The Orkut sites for following CWs are active today:

    Sunday Express

    Hindustan Times

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  34. Next updation in the afternoon only as I have to go on a condolence visit

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  35. It reminds us the world of difference between hearty (vigorous) and heartfelt (sincere).

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  36. CV/Richard/Kishore/Suresh

    The ship seems to have run aground for want of solvers. Should we go for a second round?

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  37. Venkatesh and others: I too had observed that solutions were not forthcoming. Now going to attend a function and will be away for a few hours. You can decide it among yourselves. Will join the fray later.

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  38. 3 - Crank, socially and mechanically (9) - ECCENTRIC [DD]
    20 - Going to great lengths at either end (7) - EXTREME [E]

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  39. Just got back from the condolence visit.
    To get the ship back at sea. We can go ahead with a second round. Anyone posting for the first time can give four answers whereas those who have already submitted two can add two more.

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  40. 16 - The most noted of all the arts (5) - MUSIC
    21 - I object to a form of anger that's a beastly show (9) - ME (NAGER)* I.E. ('object' in the grammatical, not rebuttal, sense

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  41. Shall put in all the answers at 5 PM in case any are left at that time

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  42. 28A Operations centre (7) {THEATRE}

    15D Change of speed leads to rate that's reckless (9){DESPERATE}

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  43. 16D - Mother apparently cut herself, but didn't say clearly (7){MUMBLED}

    23D - Take only what is right (5){EXACT}

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  44. 4 - Be alert and put off retirement (3,2) SIT UP (d&cd)
    5 - A hundred on offer puts you in the running (9) - (C)(ON)(TENDER)

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  45. Anagrams:

    SIT UP & CONTENDER = DECENT IRON PUTS

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  46. Got some better anagrams:

    SIT UP & CONTENDER = STERN EDICT UPON

    BETTERS & COPIOUS = ROBOT SETS UP ICE

    LIAISON & A LA MODE = I LOAD ANOMALIES

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  47. SUNDAES & GUSTO = SAD TO USE GUNS

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  48. Hi again. Just back from a housewarming ceremony;
    Round two from me:

    12A - One who only imagines he'd like to be king? (9) - PRETENDER (Can't figure out the category; someone please help.)
    14D - Statement re cut in a net perhaps (9) - UTTERANCE* (anagram of re cut a net)

    Anagram from PRETENDER and UTTERANCE : RECENT TURN REPEATED

    I have more besides those posted by others. Can't add any because of the ordinance issued by the boss.

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  49. I had hit it right on CONTENDER, NAIVETE, RUN AROUND, MENAGERIE etc.

    I just can't wait to see the answers to the following posted by others. I seem to have got them.

    9A - Possibly a tropical fruit (7) - ??R???? (as I mentioned earlier, there seems to be some flaw in this clue.)
    1D - He's not invited on to a ship, but pays for his keep (7) - B???D??
    7D - Time the bowler started? More than time! (7) - O?????E
    8D - Like sheep are in a shed? (7) - S?????D

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  50. Richard: Re your query on

    One who only imagines he'd like to be king? PRETENDER (9)

    The clue is a Double Definition.
    One is: One who only imagines
    The other is: he'd like to be king

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  51. Deepak, if you are online, is it time for Round 3?

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  52. 18 - A roundabout way to come in (9) - T?R?S???E
    TURNSTILE
    8 - Like sheep are in a shed? (7) - S?E?R?D
    SHE(ARE)D

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  53. Richard, this boss can also issue ordnance.

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  54. Kishore, I had them besides others ready and was waiting for Deepak's clearance to begin Round 3. If others feel deprived the blame is on you. May I lap the rest of them up?

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  55. Kishore, Waiting for your anagram from second round, which is sure to pack a punch.

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  56. Was the subtle omission of 'i' from 'ordinance' intentional?

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  57. Richard, this was my 2nd round not third.

    Please refer Ordnance

    And since you are mathematically inclined and Venkatesh (alias SR) is keen on anagrams, may I post the following:


    What are the largest and smallest six digit odd and even numbers for which when the six individual digits are multiplied, the result is 15000 ?

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  58. Kishore, I knew ordnance, but was wondering why armaments were brought into the peaceful atmosphere here.

    Finally, what about Venkatesh's query on your share of anagrams?

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  59. Others having already played on voila and viola, Venkatesh, voici:

    surliest adherent
    relisted haunters
    enthused retrials
    enthused trailers
    entrusted hailers
    enlisted urethras
    lustiest hardener
    heraldist neuters
    reinstates hurdle
    theist launderers

    Confession : I know it is a cunning stunt, but I used a software and picked the juiciest. There are plenty more...

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  60. The Col, I trust, is a pacific military man but in service is allowed to issue ordnance, though probably he only has to order and the QM takes care of the rest.

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  61. Or should I say pacifist ?

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  62. CCE, please be informed, in my tete a tete with RL, the starter, main course and dessert were all ice creams ...

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  63. Thanks to everyone for sticking to the rules for the day. Hope you'll enjoyed your Sunday, I definitely did.
    I like the TOI Sunday cryptic and find it quite entertaining.

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  64. Just 55 more ...

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  65. Ah, Deepak, got you there. I wear a watch only when I am flying. Otherwise, I dont. But why do you say that ?

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  66. And what can be more cryptic that your saying you enjoyed your Sunday coupled with the fact that you attended a condolence meet ?

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  67. What did you infer 55 more referred to ? It is not time I was referring to.

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  68. Yes I wanted to add the exception to the Sunday enjoyment but dropped it.
    I thought you meant 55 secs to 1700

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  69. Kishore,

    What are the largest and smallest six digit odd and even numbers for which when the six individual digits are multiplied, the result is 15000 ?

    That requires only a simple calculation.

    The factors are 25x25x24 which further works out to 5x5x 5x5x 8x3

    Smallest number: even 355558, odd 355585
    Largest number: even 555538, odd 855553

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  70. And, Deepak, you have quite a score for number of posts for a non NJ, non THC day.

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  71. Oh, I wanted to post the last answers left just before 5 pm. But now I notice that they are already up in the main post.

    So what I said about the clue for APRICOT being flawed (with an extra 'l') is right.

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  72. Kishore,

    This one is for you from a Kamalahasan movie:
    The Station Master when asked for the time of the train says 222222. What did he mean?

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  73. The Sunday THC normally has the least number of comments

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  74. Venkatesh:

    You have bombed on two counts:

    First, I requested answers not to be posted here so as to ensure the cat remains in the bag.

    Second, the 24 can be not only split as 8x3 but also 6x4, leading to other numbers so that at least one of your answers is incorrect.

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  75. Two to two to two two. Quite an alliteration there.

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  76. Deepak, I was referring 9945+55=10^4

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  77. Richard 1712: Yes, that is what I referred to at 927

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  78. Kishore,

    Agreed. The largest even number then rises to 655554. The other three remain.

    I missed seeing your stipulation as perhaps you typed it in invisible print, and I don't have the regulation goggles for that.

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  79. Yes, Venkatesh, I think my editing got the better of me. As no regulation goggles for invisible print were issued by the QM, GCM absolves you with your honour intact.

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  80. And of course the gun salute for getting it right.

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  81. Surprised at getting such a simple poser. I thought you were going to give us a Fibonacci.

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  82. Oh, those are reserved for the math forum where I lurk. Ok, a little more complicated:

    Here is another Card Game probability puzzle ...

    1. What is the Probability of drawing a Trio , that three same cards
    of different suits ; like three Kings , three Aces , or three Nine's ?

    2. What is the Probability of drawing three cards forming a sequence
    belonging to the same suit ?
    Like Ace , King & Queen of say Hearts ; or , 7 , 8 & 9 of Clubs ......?
    ( A , K , Q & A , 2 , 3 are valid sequences, but K,A,2 is not .)

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  83. CV/Kishore/Richard,

    So, the rounds today were virtual rather than actual victuals.

    Without the regular dose of THC, it would have been a dull day for the addicts. Thanks to Col for making it interesting though he restricted us to two!

    And the ladies appear to have retired while the rounds were being served and eagerly consumed.

    We missed CGB, VJ and the ebullient newcomers.

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  84. I suppose they didn't read my comment yesterday where I had mentioned that I will be posting the TOI CW

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  85. Venkatesh 18:01

    Come to think of it, how come comments from ladies have become very sparse here?

    To borrow a two-wheeler promotion line: "Why should boys have all the fun?"

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