Wednesday 4 September 2013

No 10869, Wednesday 04 Sep 2013, Spinner

 Spinner has spun some nice webs today.

ACROSS
1   Fool gets four-point something — That’s not common (7) PRIVATE {PR{IV}ATE} Not sure if Prate and Fool are synonymous. What's the role of something? (Addendum - {PR{IV}AT}{E} - See comments)
5   Man with nothing but uncluttered head in presentation (6) PAUPER {PA{U}PER}
11 Places for the triumphant triumvirate (5) PODIA [CD]
12 Soldiers are not able to capture girl vagabond (9) MENDICANT {MEN}{DI}{CAN'T}
13 Obedient, coiled snakes (6) DOCILE*
14 Fast bowler, extremely steadfast, entering the sewer (8) SEAMSTER {SEAM{SteadfasT}ER}
16 Start off, cook on direct flame and stir up (4) ROIL bROIL
17 Refuse removal of previous boss of America in a rocky period (10) CRETACEOUS {exCRETA}{CEO}{US}
20 Scale in five steps the enclosure — it takes time and a boost (10) PENTATONIC {PEN}{T}{A}{TONIC}
21 Unemployed Spinner would shortly leave, with no goodbye (4) IDLE {I'D}{LEave}
24 Won’t he do the part exactly? (2,3,3) ON THE DOT [T]
26 Moulds seldom affected (6) MODELS*
28 For him, knocking over is central (9) LARCENIST* Semi&lit
29 Lookout for Caledonian swimming around underwater peak (5) SCOUT {SCO{U}T}
30 Stray off course without a person to set things right (6) MENDER MEaNDER
31 A fly inside me is one with influence (7) MAGNATE {M{A}{GNAT}E}

DOWN
2   Saving to shaving? (9) REDACTION [CD] (Addendum - REDUCTION [CD] - See comments)
3   Practical seaman in hateful surroundings (6) VIABLE {VI{AB}LE}
4   Return to release the spell (4) TIME <=
6   A feminine mongrel with micro-inscription is intolerable (1,3,4) A BIT MUCH {A}{BIT {MU}CH} I always thought of it as ' A bit too much'?
7   Pigtail tied up in the absence of police officer remains intact (5) PLAIT PigTAIL*
8   Revenues from homecomings (7) RETURNS [DD]
9   Spinner of webs about falls, rises (6) SPIDER <= (Addendum -{SPID}{ER}<= - See comments)
10 Receive conditioned reappointment without pomp (9) ENTERTAIN REAppoINTmENT*
15 Genomic or otherwise, it’s for human good (9) ERGONOMIC*
Courtesy Kishore
18 Do mend these misfits (3,3,3) ODD MEN OUT {DO+MEND}* {OUT} Reminded of Larry, Moe & Curly Joe
19 Little things give it the slip (5,3) NAKED EYE [CD]
20 Alternate ballet in the dance night might be a cause for worry (7) PROBLEM {PRO{BaLlEt}M}
22 Reproduction in panthers at zoo (6) ERSATZ [T]
23 Jesus Christ perhaps sponsored child (6) GODSON {GOD}{SON} Not sure of anno [DD] See comments
25 I sequentially arrived at Italian city (5) TURIN {TUR{I}N} Not sure how this anno works? See comments
27 Raise stakes on fiery Sicilian fountain (4) ETNA <=

55 comments:

  1. 25 I sequentially arrived at Italian city (5) TURIN {TUR{I}N} How does this anno work?

    sequentially arrived= in turn
    I sequentially arrived= ‘i’ in ‘turn’= TUR(I)N

    23 sponsored child=godson, one with a godfather, like Don Corlene behind him !

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  2. 7 Pigtail tied up in the absence of police officer remains intact (5) PLAIT PigTAIL*

    Nice use of tied as Aind. Clue reminded me of WM Thackeray's poem A Tragic Story

    http://allpoetry.com/poem/8454049-A_Tragic_Story-by-William_Makepeace_Thackeray

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  3. 9 Spinner of webs about falls, rises (6) SPIDER <=
    My take: ({SPID}{ER})<-

    23 Jesus Christ perhaps sponsored child (6) GODSON {GOD}{SON}
    I tok it to be a DD

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  4. 1 Fool gets four-point something — That’s not common (7) PRIVATE {PR{IV}ATE} Not sure if Prate and Fool are synonymous. What's the role of something?

    Fool = prat
    point = e
    def = something that's not common = pr(iv)at + e

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  5. Agree with the opening line. Mostly good clues and thought put into surfaces.

    5a: 'but' is redundant
    17a: cretaceous is an adjective, but rocky period is a noun?
    28a: knock over = upset. knock off = steal. If 'over' was replaced by 'off', it would still work and be semi &lit
    2d: Could be 'reduction' too?
    10d: ideally 'pomp' also needs an anagram indicator
    23d: for Jesus, is god son = god's son?

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  6. B is right. 2D is indeed reduction. It was also intended as (Reduction = Addition of H = Hydrogen ).

    As for knocking over, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knock%20over.

    And 'The Cretaceous', is a rocky age, which is what I had in mind while writing the clue. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous ) Maybe it doesn't work as a noun once you drop the 'the'. Point taken.

    About,10D, this occured to me as a drawback, but I convinced myself this way- Since there are only 2 Ps, 1 O and 1 M in the word reappointment, there is only 1 way to remove pomp after rearranging reappointment. And this should satisfy the definition 'Receive'.

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    1. Re: pomp, I just mentioned the normal custom to be fair to the solver.

      IMO, being solvable should not be the only criterion for a clue. It needs to stand up to all sorts of scrutiny - surface sense, grammar, validity of the cryptic instructions, accuracy.

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  7. 23D, You're right, god's son is not the same as god son. I included perhaps hoping it will help.

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    1. Perhaps should not be used as a catch-all indicator for "anything goes" before it :)

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    2. A nice tutorial from Bhavan to Srivathsan Santhanam ! No offence please ! :)

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  8. Enjoyable crossword.

    Re CRETACEOUS. It is also a noun to refer to the Cretaceous period, normally used with a 'the' before it. So there is no problem with the clue.

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  9. I'm a Bat(s)man alright but while facing a Spinner I get cold feet ! No wonder, I got out for a paltry score today !!
    Hope to do better next time :)

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    1. That's because you're on your back foot. Play with your front foot forward ;-)

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    2. You mean dancing down the pitch ? Shall try that too Sir !

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    3. "Dancing down the pitch" - Wasn't this a famous expression by a cricket commentator of yore on the radio?

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    4. Present day commentators too use this expression, CV Sir.

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  10. When you do, you just have to watch out for the wrong'un, so that you're not stumped.

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    1. OK, shall watch out for wrong'un and doosra too ! If you have in your armoury :)

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  11. 18 Do mend these misfits (3,3,3) ODD MEN OUT {DO+MEND}* {OUT}

    {ODD MEN}*= DO MEND (OUT is AnagrInd)
    Reverse Anagram here.
    Defn: these misfits = ODD MEN OUT

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    1. I was thinking of raising my doubt about OUT and you have cleared it. Agreed it's Anagrind. I dont't get Reverse Anagram part. Could you please enlighten me ?

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    2. Actually from where did this OUT come ?

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    3. http://www.crosswordunclued.com/2010/06/reverse-anagrams.html

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    4. That should throw some light on the matter.

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    5. Thanks SS. Reverse Anagram is really a tricky one ! It takes lot of thinking. Shall have one more visit to this site later.

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    6. MB If 'Odd men Out' was the clue it would lead to 'Do mend'. That is what a reverse anagram is about.

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    7. Thanks Suresh. I'm a bit slow to understand the intricacies of Annotations(not all but a couple of them). From time to time I do visit Suchi's blog and could make some progress.

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    8. Thanks Suresh. Just now finished going through Suchi's blog containing Reverse Anagrams. Could get some idea about it. Not so easy to get answers for such clues ! One has to rely on other crossings too.

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    1. I'm totally clueless ! I don't know about others :)

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    2. I'm lost for a particular name for this type, too. Referred definition, maybe?

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    3. I take it as a Deletion + Anagram. Don't know whether there is a single term to it..

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  13. I guess the comments for today are done,so Id like to reveal something that no one seems to have spotted. Theres a song/game - Tinker, tailor, soldier, spy,
    rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief!

    All of these gentlemen can be found in disguise, in todays grid.

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  14. Tinker, MENDER
    tailor, SEAMSTER
    soldier, PRIVATE
    spy, SCOUT

    rich man, MAGNATE
    poor man, PAUPER
    beggar man, MENDICANT
    thief, LARCENIST

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  15. Couldn't attempt today's puz. Good intricate cluing. The clue on Reduction, is it apt, as it's applicable only in case of chem reactions?

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  16. Raghu,

    Your talking of aptness recalls to mind a recent clue where you had given MAMMAL as definition in clue for ANIMAL as solution.

    No doubt some dictionaries do mention mammal as one of the meanings of animal.Howerver, even a school student knows that mammals are one of 5 classes (others being fish, amphibia, reptiles and birds) in the Phylum Chordata (vertebrate animals). This phylum along with nine others constitutes the animal kingdom.

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    1. Hi Venkatesh,
      The same school student knows that reduction with H addition is a chemical process and no conn with shaving.

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  17. SS, I remember Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Sailor ...... from my childhood. 60 years ago! Delighted to see it represented in your CW to day! Made me oh so nostalgic!.
    Thank you.
    Have a good evening.

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    1. Remember George ;-) ?

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    2. George Smiley, the character created by John le Carré, is an intelligence officer working for MI6 (referred to as "the Circus"). He appears in Call for the Dead; A Murder of Quality; Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy; The Honourable Schoolboy; and Smiley's People. His last appearance was in The Secret Pilgrim.

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  18. Student of Cryptics will certainly make out:
    Adding H to SAVING, we get S(H)AVING.
    Addition of H(ydrogen) is called Reduction (as opposed to Oxidation).

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  19. To clarify : A saving = A reduction, And to shave= to cut down = reduce. I was looking for two words that both led to reduction while at the same time had a difference of one letter, H, so that I cold incorporate this 'Reduction' as well. But from the way it's been interpreted, I understand that shaving = reduction is a stretch, so only the Chemical part of it has been useful in solving the clue.

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  20. 22 Mammal in Manila harassed (6) ANIMAL*
    (from THC 10866 of 31.8.13)
    The other fault was the use of 'in' as the link word, which gave an impression that it was a T(elescopic) type (i.e., hidden in Manila harassed). A better choice may have been 'from'.

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    1. 'in' is a perfectly valid link word. These two types of constructions are very common and are not faulty.

      [word] in [wordplay]
      [wordplay] in [word]

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  21. Kishore,
    Yet another timely cartoon.
    Did you know that a Vastu Expert was consulted on the seating arrangement for the Chair (SG) when UPA was voted to power?

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    1. Kishore might tread on some wrong feet and get hauled for contempt some day.

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  22. A fine web by Spinner . Trapped all the flies intact in no time. Spin on, Spinner !! We are here to untangle all the webs !

    Got a new cable and restored power to my Notebook.

    All is fine in the best of all possible world of crosswords. In the absence of the comp, could complete 45 cryptic crossies clipped from the Economic Times in one day !! Yet to beat my own record of 62 sometime in 2004 .

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  23. ;-)

    Richard, I take humour quite seriously (does that remind you of Dr. Strangelove -"Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!").

    Yes, you are right. I have to be careful. Let me assure you that I have considered all aspects and can send you (or Deepak) a detailed note on my take on it. I have only proposed improvement of the system, based on actual incidents (plural), reported in the press and televised, without mentioning who has transgressed, falling prey to a failing which is only too human (I have done it and hope you have too) compared to many other more serious transgressions that happen, and not even mentioned who is moving the proposal. No person or party has been mentioned as the transgressor or the proposer. After all, I am not a Danish cartoonist and our Parliament, you will agree, is not the Taliban. That's another word which has had a sad twist in its meaning. Taleem is knowledge and Talib is a student, so Taliban just means students.

    Anyway, some days back, I have requested Deepak, as owner of the blog, to chose either not to publish or to take down a published cartoon, if he feels it transgresses.

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    1. Kishore,

      All that went over my head. I didn't know you were a lawer as well ;-)

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    2. Do you want me to prepare and send you a detailed note ? Not(-e), I think !

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