tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post8520388868592354809..comments2024-03-28T13:03:55.666+05:30Comments on THE HINDU CROSSWORD CORNER: No 12065, Friday 21 Jul 2017, SpinnerCol_Gopinathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06166793743790376031noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-87716414211717383772017-07-22T16:49:31.078+05:302017-07-22T16:49:31.078+05:30I intended 23D the way the colonel has parsed it.I intended 23D the way the colonel has parsed it.Srivathsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105473911498898940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-58667696949969388712017-07-21T19:47:47.435+05:302017-07-21T19:47:47.435+05:30Thanks, correctedThanks, correctedDeepak Gopinathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06337043600355573557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-48313160352200365842017-07-21T19:09:57.027+05:302017-07-21T19:09:57.027+05:30ya anno says {LIE<=} in {ACTED}*...ya anno says {LIE<=} in {ACTED}*...Esha_iitmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486325234783333951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-42899273316650236692017-07-21T18:52:24.612+05:302017-07-21T18:52:24.612+05:3023D- It is 'starting from' & the def. ...23D- It is 'starting from' & the def. is only European country. So it is fine.<br />19d-(Acted)*- Anind 'strangely'<br /> (Lie)* - Anind 'that's turned'Padmanabhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278629397479779173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-68676609555365747172017-07-21T16:33:04.775+05:302017-07-21T16:33:04.775+05:30Easy one...
19D this shd be lie* in acted*...
13A ...Easy one...<br />19D this shd be lie* in acted*...<br />13A leading trophy - similar to opening batsman not OK?<br />23D I think it should be plural starts inst of starting?<br />Esha_iitmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486325234783333951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-24778393742307995962017-07-21T16:25:28.375+05:302017-07-21T16:25:28.375+05:30Thank you. Haha I did not notice that! 29A should ...Thank you. Haha I did not notice that! 29A should help clear it all up :DSrivathsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105473911498898940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-91749682916910528122017-07-21T14:05:48.115+05:302017-07-21T14:05:48.115+05:30Very nice crossie, Spinner. Loved 2d and 3d!
Mini-...Very nice crossie, Spinner. Loved 2d and 3d!<br />Mini-foodie theme seen in 1A, 21A, 28A? :)Ramki Krishnanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08345657170670979388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-25489351325240063422017-07-21T13:52:42.904+05:302017-07-21T13:52:42.904+05:30Thank you, the feeling is mutual towards the time ...Thank you, the feeling is mutual towards the time you are giving to this discussion. I really appreciate as this is the only forum where feedback is available currently. In the above example, I guess the orientation aspect of the indicator immediately lends us to think of 'Bangalore' arranged vertically and hence 'North' and 'South' mean top and bottom. But do we need the fact that it is a down clue to accept this? Maybe seeing it as a down clue helps us orient our thinking that way,and that's why it feels more appropriate as a down clue. But I still feel it should be independent of this fact - Would love to find out if there's any convention in place for this. <br />Srivathsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105473911498898940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-18491889031322154732017-07-21T13:32:15.032+05:302017-07-21T13:32:15.032+05:30I understand the point you are making. And I truly...I understand the point you are making. And I truly appreciate the time you have taken to take part in what is essentially a technical discussion. <br /><br />There might be exceptions though to an indicator being same for across and down clues. <br /><br />For instance say the words "South of Bangalore" appear in a clue. In Down Clue it might indicate selection of the last letter of Bangalore. In Across clue however, it will not I think. Of course I accept I could be wrong :). Thanks again! Satyen Nabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793151996440495885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-5287005095454806412017-07-21T12:31:36.969+05:302017-07-21T12:31:36.969+05:30I accept the point that 'base' can mean ei...I accept the point that 'base' can mean either 'bottom' in the positional sense or 'start' in the timeline sense. I'm merely pointing out that this is independent of the fact that the clue is across or down. In a down or across clue, you can interpret 'base' to mean either of the two. I feel the across/down factor only comes when you consider arrangement of the parts of the wordplay - It should not matter for the interpretation of an indicator. If you see 'base' as a tail indicator, it would be a tail indicator for both Across and Down. If you see it as a head indicator, it would be a head indicator for both Across and Down. Srivathsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105473911498898940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-51192833634559949082017-07-21T11:11:18.437+05:302017-07-21T11:11:18.437+05:30When we say foundation of building it certainly ca...When we say foundation of building it certainly cannot be the roof in a D clue. Raghunathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162552411714117166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-32618116258657639572017-07-21T10:52:14.469+05:302017-07-21T10:52:14.469+05:30Dear Srivathsan, the clue is not being seen upside...Dear Srivathsan, the clue is not being seen upside down. The top as you rightly pointed out remains the top in across or down words. That of course cannot and does not change. To give an example, you set up Base camp before starting to climb to the top of the mountain. In that context, the base would be the bottom. Hence tail selection. Satyen Nabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793151996440495885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-43534849425067593782017-07-21T10:51:09.906+05:302017-07-21T10:51:09.906+05:30Very much the subject of that clue. Very much the subject of that clue. Srivathsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105473911498898940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-6685417153640715552017-07-21T10:38:30.384+05:302017-07-21T10:38:30.384+05:30While discussion whether 'base' is appropr...While discussion whether 'base' is appropriate as a head selection indicator is one thing (Ive used it in the 'foundation' sense and I feel the 'foundation'or the 'basis' is the starting and not the conclusion) , I don't believe it matters whether it is a down clue - I feel that comes into the picture only when I try to reverse bits of the wordplay - Otherwise there is no instruction to the solver to see parts of the clue upside down - To put it in perspective -<br /><br />Top of godown had entrance (4) <br /><br />If this was a down clue, we would still only pick G and not N from Godown. That was my thought process. Srivathsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105473911498898940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-46855968365777013432017-07-21T10:29:16.067+05:302017-07-21T10:29:16.067+05:30Yeah, it's misleading with 3 meanings, so logi...Yeah, it's misleading with 3 meanings, so logically it should be the tail endRaghunathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162552411714117166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-88911097575669099882017-07-21T10:22:23.359+05:302017-07-21T10:22:23.359+05:30I agree. As I specified, I just listed what's ...I agree. As I specified, I just listed what's written in the print version of Chambers under indicator lists purely for the sake of discussion. <br /><br />Having said that, I agree with Col that in a Down clue, perhaps it makes more logical sense to consider the definition of 'Base' as Bottom/Foot. That is the reason I think Chambers lists it as a tail selection indicator in a Down clue.Satyen Nabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793151996440495885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-68490203426216693712017-07-21T10:16:54.649+05:302017-07-21T10:16:54.649+05:30IMO for Across clue foundation doesn't apply s...IMO for Across clue foundation doesn't apply so it's only First and MiddleRaghunathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162552411714117166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-31616785775412261822017-07-21T10:14:53.214+05:302017-07-21T10:14:53.214+05:30As per my Bible: http://chambers.co.uk/search/?que...As per my Bible: http://chambers.co.uk/search/?query=base&title=thes <br /><br />It can be First, Middle and End.<br /><br />2 basis, foundation, fundamental, essential, component, principal, key, heart, core, essence, root, origin, sourceRaghunathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162552411714117166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-27830999652164051802017-07-21T09:42:31.594+05:302017-07-21T09:42:31.594+05:30According to Chambers,base also means the starting...According to Chambers,base also means the starting point. We may accept this.Kolluru Koteswara Raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07613863445318105363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-61662319359702174342017-07-21T09:27:45.168+05:302017-07-21T09:27:45.168+05:30What are the views of our CCE?What are the views of our CCE?Deepak Gopinathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06337043600355573557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-44028652304152494252017-07-21T09:17:26.694+05:302017-07-21T09:17:26.694+05:30Chambers Crossword Dictionary lists 'Base of&#...Chambers Crossword Dictionary lists 'Base of' as a tail selection down indicator. 'Baseless' is listed as a tail deletion down indicator. <br /><br />There is no mention of 'base' as a head selection indicator. <br /><br />Just listing what's in Chambers. I do not know if it's standard elsewhere to use as head selection ind. Satyen Nabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793151996440495885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-52845189018926131162017-07-21T09:11:55.882+05:302017-07-21T09:11:55.882+05:30Readable and enjoyable spin.
actually enjoyed fact...Readable and enjoyable spin.<br />actually enjoyed factual. Nicely done.<br />18D written after Kumble mess up? Tribute from one spinner to another! Yes, all are upset.Padmanabhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278629397479779173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-57096096207139629682017-07-21T09:08:03.175+05:302017-07-21T09:08:03.175+05:302D- I don't think it makes any difference whet...2D- I don't think it makes any difference whether it is Ac. or down clue. It is just the base (first letter) of the words concerned.Padmanabhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278629397479779173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-25036032770366974972017-07-21T08:53:44.063+05:302017-07-21T08:53:44.063+05:30Easy spin, thanks Spinner!Easy spin, thanks Spinner!Kolluru Koteswara Raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07613863445318105363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-46828815911256278952017-07-21T08:42:04.773+05:302017-07-21T08:42:04.773+05:30Thanks Spinner. One of my good mornings.Thanks Spinner. One of my good mornings.maradnusrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425293395115847011noreply@blogger.com