tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post3107405073190176480..comments2024-03-29T14:39:27.221+05:30Comments on THE HINDU CROSSWORD CORNER: No 12290, Friday 13 Apr 2018, KrisKrossCol_Gopinathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06166793743790376031noreply@blogger.comBlogger125125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-46241356006483279092018-04-14T22:16:34.925+05:302018-04-14T22:16:34.925+05:30weighing in on the SOLICITOR vs TROLLOP clues - th...weighing in on the SOLICITOR vs TROLLOP clues - the issue with "trollop" isn't that it has sexual overtones, it's that it's *derogatory and sexist* in nature. archu is quite right - we should no more use words like that than we would racial slurs (which are also in the dictionary!)<br /><br />as for the position that trollop simply means "a loose woman" and that it's not derogatory unless you're calling someone a trollop - well, think about what the term "loose woman" even means, why that is considered a shameful thing, and whether a man would be similarly looked down upon for the same behaviour. if anything, objecting to the term is the very opposite of prudery.Martin DeMellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13347537989431523652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-77472675500472466092018-04-14T15:46:09.804+05:302018-04-14T15:46:09.804+05:30Sir, there are nude beaches in the UK/US where peo...Sir, there are nude beaches in the UK/US where people strip naked in the summer. Is it alright to do so in India's beaches too? This newspaper has its own sensibilities and has respected those of its readers. While you are entitled to your opinion, I fear the day when I may see these words in the crossword and would urge the editor to set the bar before that happens.Archuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11515258093393069530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-76632989186200382472018-04-14T09:42:40.968+05:302018-04-14T09:42:40.968+05:30I apologise for the comment.I apologise for the comment.Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-21761317847100027792018-04-14T08:40:00.065+05:302018-04-14T08:40:00.065+05:30"Will an innocent surface clue for BITCH defi..."Will an innocent surface clue for BITCH defining it as a female dog also OK?"<br /><br />Yes, yes, yes.<br /><br />The word has appeared several times in many reputable UK crosswords (quick/cryptic) though my own database of 1000+ crosswords doesn't show it up, either as a grid fill or as part of any clue.Chaturvasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00284780490945841507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-78771259229195931102018-04-14T08:28:58.171+05:302018-04-14T08:28:58.171+05:30Madam,
T was away from home last afternoon and eve...Madam,<br />T was away from home last afternoon and evening and so I saw your Comment just now.<br />I have said what was needed to be said.<br />The question that you have raised - whether I as a crossword setter can/will use four-letter words - is not relevant. <br />So I have nothing more to say.Chaturvasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00284780490945841507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-74981297173201895362018-04-14T01:34:28.899+05:302018-04-14T01:34:28.899+05:30Well said, Satyen.
I'd avoid anything termed a...Well said, Satyen.<br />I'd avoid anything termed as derogatory slang in dictionaries, and even so, use judgment when using words that may have been funny in the past to describe a gender or group or race, but not so any more. In this case, TFD does not term it as derogatory, but given the meaning, as a male I wouldn't use it; however as a solver I wouldn't mind if the clue was written by a female setter. Words evolve with time and setters have to use their judgement on their usage at that time. I believe Ramki when he said he didn't mean to offend, and knowing him through this and other forums, I'll bet that he'll not use a similar word knowingly in future, and I'd move on. But I agree with Archu about the tone in this thread - hope we guys can be less abrasive, less patriarchal and more congenial in tone when debating a point online.Ganesh N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01951086814788086328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-78743429039952519192018-04-13T23:16:54.786+05:302018-04-13T23:16:54.786+05:30Imo... time=T. If you want to delete TT, use appro...Imo... time=T. If you want to delete TT, use appropriate abbrev for tt or couple of times.Satyen Nabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793151996440495885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-5393936900380673832018-04-13T23:11:02.324+05:302018-04-13T23:11:02.324+05:30+1 Doc. +1 Doc. VMA Nairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195152250121457237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-72175830610331242892018-04-13T22:32:45.094+05:302018-04-13T22:32:45.094+05:30Vasant, I didn't want to enter this debate but...Vasant, I didn't want to enter this debate but unquestionably a valid point has been raised. And I definitely do not believe it's attention-seeking. It's a matter of opinion and one must respect that! What's offensive for somebody may not be to another. I personally dont think any offence was meant by setter whatsoever. Having said that, teenagers are solving this as well, as you might know since your daughter solves. Whilst they might know more about the birds and bees than we did, it does not mean we explicitly expose them to this. Perhaps, hence best to avoid such words in the crossword. There is no dearth of words to clue after all!Satyen Nabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793151996440495885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-1167584384520499262018-04-13T22:17:35.728+05:302018-04-13T22:17:35.728+05:30:-):-)Padmanabhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278629397479779173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-16091791963103382762018-04-13T22:06:03.464+05:302018-04-13T22:06:03.464+05:30This comment of mine was deleted as it had explici...This comment of mine was deleted as it had explicit words. Reinstating with changes....<br /><br />Chaturvasi2:31 pm GMT+5:30<br />My considered opinion is the word 'tart' or 'trollop' by itself is not offensive. Only when a woman is branded as such it becomes offensive, it is used derogatorily or abusively.<br /><br />Then can a crossword also have the f-word, n-word and c-word bcos they r only bad words in general and not targeted at a particular person?Archuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11515258093393069530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-62002027683378609742018-04-13T22:03:29.295+05:302018-04-13T22:03:29.295+05:30Vasant, mind your language when talking to women o...Vasant, mind your language when talking to women online. I am here to make a point, and it is scary for me to grab your attention.<br /><br />In case you didnt bother to check Chambers refers to tart as derogatory slang and Oxford says it is derogatory. <br /><br />Archuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11515258093393069530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-75293754695690020732018-04-13T21:21:50.598+05:302018-04-13T21:21:50.598+05:30You mean Solicitor is derogatory in dictionary?You mean Solicitor is derogatory in dictionary?Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-48933194549798427082018-04-13T21:11:43.913+05:302018-04-13T21:11:43.913+05:30Yes, I am of the same view. A particular word can ...Yes, I am of the same view. A particular word can be coined for a derogatory purpose. It is unfortunate that the dictionaries give credence to them.Kolluru Koteswara Raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07613863445318105363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-59712859297316214742018-04-13T20:59:36.824+05:302018-04-13T20:59:36.824+05:30KKR: Such a beautiful clue for Solicitor...quite a...KKR: Such a beautiful clue for Solicitor...quite akin to today's trollop..No derogatory allusion in both..Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-3526384194837057102018-04-13T20:51:21.486+05:302018-04-13T20:51:21.486+05:30Archi:such prudery seems unwarranted to say the le...Archi:such prudery seems unwarranted to say the least. There was nothing derogatory in the clue at all. I think you are just out to grab attention. This is a poor way of getting one.Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-51658149300625719192018-04-13T20:43:10.221+05:302018-04-13T20:43:10.221+05:30Raju:Wi-fi restored almost sounds like reunion wit...Raju:Wi-fi restored almost sounds like reunion with wife😀😀Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-20919255130933451452018-04-13T20:41:48.788+05:302018-04-13T20:41:48.788+05:30Long time ago I read a story by Kushwant Singh &qu...Long time ago I read a story by Kushwant Singh "The Mark Of Vishnu" whose protagonist was Gunga Din. Never read the poem.Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-52267561679812247992018-04-13T19:16:07.455+05:302018-04-13T19:16:07.455+05:30https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunga_Dinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunga_Dinsree_sreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970943914241397310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-8351509553153066352018-04-13T19:05:41.457+05:302018-04-13T19:05:41.457+05:30Incidentally, I invite your attention to the follo...Incidentally, I invite your attention to the following clue in today's cryptic crossword in the Guardian:<br />Lawyer, oldest professional? (9)<br />Can we call it derogatory?Kolluru Koteswara Raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07613863445318105363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-23301596077160227722018-04-13T17:47:56.300+05:302018-04-13T17:47:56.300+05:30They may be derogatory words. But there is nothing...They may be derogatory words. But there is nothing derogatory in the clue as brought out by Ramki.<br /><br />I didn't find anything derogatory in the clue and as Raghu said the surface totally implied enjoying your bakery goodies.<br /><br />Why use derogatory words at all in crossword? is my question. Will an innocent surface clue for BITCH defining it as a female dog also OK? Then you will justify saying you did not call a particular woman as a BITCH is it? Archuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11515258093393069530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-31913226063930486732018-04-13T17:40:38.217+05:302018-04-13T17:40:38.217+05:30Thanks for the apologies, but it is not me finding...Thanks for the apologies, but it is not me finding it offensive. These are derogatory words one must desist from using unless there is a valid context. All sorts of people from 10-70 do hindu crossword, and this is not a word to add to their vocabulary.<br /><br />I did not expect any solidarity for my comment but did not expect menfolk to come out attacking me so strongly. Will you use these words in this meaning in your house? Then why use in the crossword? Why not some other word for the clue? Please give women some respect they deserve.Archuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11515258093393069530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-17210893491950361362018-04-13T17:39:11.708+05:302018-04-13T17:39:11.708+05:30+1+1Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-55941493009526493112018-04-13T17:37:54.502+05:302018-04-13T17:37:54.502+05:30I didn't find anything derogatory in the clue ...I didn't find anything derogatory in the clue and as Raghu said the surface totally implied enjoying your bakery goodies.Vasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032858551414707310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2195377761774996603.post-25698085524296951992018-04-13T17:32:49.942+05:302018-04-13T17:32:49.942+05:30I had my wifi restored again today after a configu...I had my wifi restored again today after a configuration hitch from Wednesday. Did yesterday and today's crossies now . I loved the MONROE and No more about Maryln in yesterday's. Indeed, she is NO MORE, alas ! What an anagram can do in crosswords !<br /><br />In today's by Kriss Kross, the sledge-hammer on a hair debate on the PRAISES clue. However, poor Ramki had such a simple one when he composed this clue. Going from jemmy to Jimmy and his Atlanta state, a sur=prising joiurney in polemics ! Very PRAISEWORTHY ! <br /><br />POLEMIC= POEMIC? or POETIC? Where did Gunga Din come in the picture?<br /><br />What's illegl about changing the name again from Mumbai to Bombay? RE+anagram of MEANS? That means there's an anagram indicator ? illegal?<br /><br />SE)-TT)ER : A new take on the usual I and Me for the setter. Tut Tut- Ramki ! or do you say: Touche ?<br /><br />All in all, a very exhilarating crossie by Ramki and the healthy debate that followed.raju umamaheswarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07107883886526369417noreply@blogger.com