Satyen Nabar's Sun Spl analysed

Friday, 21 July 2023

No 13923, Friday 21 Jul 2023, Hypatia

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ACROSS
9   Foreboding sensed by the Titanic's captain? (1,7,7) A SINKING FEELING [C&DD]
10 Witch initially pursues craft in bed turning to shady internet sites (4,3) DARK WEB {Wi..h}<=>{ARK} in {BED<=}
11 Despondent leader sacked and kicked out (7) EJECTED dEJECTED
12 Valet daily behind one covered park (9) CHAPRASSI {CHA{P}R}{ASS}{1}
14 Chilling in vehicle inside sanctuary on vacation (5) SCARY {Sanc{CAR}uarY}
17 Changed what happened at noon? (7) AMENDED {AM ENDED}
19 Pioneer taking first guided tour in Agra (7) GAGARIN {Gu...d} in {IN+AGAR}*
21 A little leopard returns stopping close to antelope (5) ELAND {A}{Le...d}<= in {END}
23 Rescuers bring back milk, essentially to cats (9) LIFELINES {mILk}<={FELINES}
25 Attack ambushing small brown animal (7) MUSTANG {MU{S}{TAN}G}
27 One serves in auditor’s job? (7) RACQUET (~racket)
30 Completely demolish Oz theatre (4,2,3,6) RAZE TO THE GROUND {OZ+THEATRE}* [RA]

DOWN
1   Listen to forbidden troupe (4) BAND (~banned)
2   Belt fastener? (4) TIER [DD]
3   Most desks arranged outside were fixed by nails (8) SKEWERED {DESKs}* over {WERE}
4   Ma in Mumbai is regularly seen as God (6) ANUBIS {mA+iN+mUmBaI+iS}
5   Old fellow fractures finger in the present (8) OFFERING {O}{F}{FINGER*}
6   Last of Pornhub's boring films - they are revolting! (6) REBELS {RE{p...uB}ELS}
7   Capitals of France, Italy and Turkey in order (4) FIAT Acrostic
8   Silver head frequently seen in elderly (4) AGED {AG}{hEaD} Semi&lit
12 Long for leader from communist party (5) CRAVE {Co...t}{RAVE}
13 She virtually responds at your beck and call? (5) ALEXA [GK]
15 Some minor partitions hold up screen (5) APRON [T<=]
16 Pulls wild oxen without direction (5) YANKS {YA{N}KS}
18 Second key outside bungalow, essentially (8) DELEGATE {DELE{bunGAlow}TE}
20 Spooner's remote screen - it provides lounge access (4,4) GOLD CARD (~cold guard to gold card)
22 Starts to doodle really fast making sketches (6) DRAFTS {Do...e}{Re...y}{FAST*}*
24 Old tiller planting nothing for acres (6) FORMER F(-a+o)ORMER
25 Butter turns a little sour and spoils? (4) MARS {RAM<=}{Sour}
26 Volume of loud laments (4) SIZE (~sighs)
28 Say, self-sufficient way to get hair trimmed? (1-3) U-CUT {(~you)U-CUT}
29 Little daughter gets new position? That's neat! (4) TIDY TI(-n+d)DY

Reference List
Daily = CHAR, Park = P, Small = S, Old = O, Fellow = F, Direction = N, Acres = A, Daughter = D, New = N


88 comments:

  1. 9a- a sinking feeling - forebading sense
    30a- Raze to the ground- Completely demolish,Raze to the (from anagram of Oz theatre) ,ground (from completely demolish)
    7d-fiat,order,from first letters of (France,Italy At Turkey)
    14a-scary,chilling (inside SanCtuARY)
    8d-aged- elderly( from silverAG and ED from heAD)

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    1. Good beginning 👏
      30a is Reverse Anagram (RA)
      {Oz theatre*} with 'ground' as Anagram Indicator (Anind)

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    2. Great going Raja. Good to see you actively participating and solving.

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  2. 11A Ejected -
    Despondent - Rejected, leader sacked - without R = Ejected - kicked out

    14A Scary
    Sanctuary on vacation - SY
    Vehicle - CAR, inside SY
    SCARY = Chilling

    1D BAND (homonym)
    Forbidden - Banned
    Troupe - Band

    8D AGED
    Silver AG
    Head Regularly - E, D

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    1. Chech anno for 11a@ G. Sreeram

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    2. Check anno not chech

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    3. It should be 11A {(-d)EJECTED} as opposed to {(-r)EJECTED}

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  3. 15D APRON? Mi[NOR PA]rtitions, hold up <=

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    1. Had doubt regarding apron used in the sense of screen.

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  5. 17a AMENED - Changed
    What happened at noon? -
    {am (morning) + ended}

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  6. 25Dn MARS - {RAM reversed}{S(our)}

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    1. Is "RAM" a synonym for "BUTTER" as a verb? Looking for a good reference.

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    2. Ram the animal is known for butting, so butter(noun)

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    3. Wow! Similar to "flowers" like Dee, Ouse, etc. I'm used to Krishna being associated with butter, it's unusual to see Ram in his place.

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  7. 23A LIFELINES
    Definition: Rescuers
    Milk essentially: IL
    Bring back: reversal indicator
    Cats: felines
    Li + felines

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  8. 5d OFFERING: present
    O(old) F( fellow) FERING( fractures finger)

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  9. 24d: FORMER = old; Tiller=farmer; +o-a
    5d: OFFERING = present: O from old, F from fellow together with FINGER
    10a: DARK WEB = shady internet sites
    W from witch., ARK from craft and BED

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    1. 10a @setter, considering ark is a noun: shouldnt there be an indicator!

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    2. @Sree Sree why should there be an indicator when craft is a noun as opposed to a verb? It serves as a verb in the context of the surface reading and as a noun in the wordplay parsing. It seems the dual role of "craft" in this sentence is intentional and integral to the cryptic nature of the clue itself.

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    3. How does craft as noun lead to ark?

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    4. Craft = boat = ARK (like Noah's Ark)

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    5. And you still dont see it!

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    6. From Chambers 3.A large floating vessel as esp (usu with cap) Noah's in the biblical Flood (Genesis 6-8).

      Capitalization is needed only in the context of Noah's Ark, while ark itself can be used for any nautical vessel

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    7. Craft also works as a noun in the same sense as ark above

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    8. craft (sense 3 of the noun), originally in the expression small craft ‘small trading vessels’, may be elliptical, referring to vessels requiring a small amount of ‘craft’ or skill to handle, as opposed to large ocean-going ships.

      Craft in this sense is a differentiator within a class of boats/ships.
      It would be equivalent of cluing man to hint woman! Both are human!

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  10. 19.a first guided....g
    Tour...anagrind
    In agra
    G in agra
    Gagarin...pioneer.
    Uri gagarin..First in space.

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  11. 19a GAGARIN: pioneer( Yuri GAgarin)
    G( first guided) ( IN AGRA)* indicated by tour as anagram indicator

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  12. 23a replacement for 19a
    LIFELINES: rescuers
    LI( milk essentially brought back) FELINES: cats

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  13. 24D FORMER - old
    tiller - farmer
    Planting nothing - o
    For acres - a
    F(-a+o)rmer

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  14. 25a MUSTANG {MU{S}{TAN}G}
    Attack MUG small S brown TAN
    Ambushing Insertion Indicator
    Definition: Animal

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  15. 18D- Delegate- Dele(ga)te- Second
    Key= delete; Bungalow essentially= GA

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  16. Replacement for 23a which is also a repetition
    3d: SKEWERED: fixed
    Most desks: desk, were( were)
    (desk were)*

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  17. 6D. {RE{B}ELS}
    12D. {C}{RAVE}
    16D. {YA{N}KS}
    26D. SIZE ~sighs
    29D. TIDY (TINY – N + D)

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  18. I thought only single s.
    But chaprassi is given as variant of chaprasi in OED.

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  19. 20D remote - old
    Screen - guard
    Spooner's version - GOLD CARD
    Provides lounge access

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  20. Without is a container indicator in cryptics. It tells oxen is outside direction.

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  21. 31.a
    A....a
    Little leopard.....l
    Returns....la
    Close...end
    La in end
    Eland...antelope

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  22. 4D-Anubis-God(Egyptian);mA iN mUmBaI iS

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  23. 13 dn Alexa- Smart speaker-CD

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  24. 22d. DRAFTS = Sketches
    D, R = Starts of doodle and really
    AFTS = Anagram of fast, making anind

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  26. 6d, they are revolting = rebels
    Film = reels
    Last of pornhub = b
    boring is container indicator for b in reels.

    2d, belt fastener = tier, DD

    22 d, sketches = drafts
    Starts to doodle really = dr
    (Fast)* = after
    making = anind

    28d, say self sufficient way to get hair trimmed = I cut

    13d, she virtually responds at your beck and call = Alexa, CD

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  27. 28.d say self......u
    Hair trimmed....cut
    U-cut

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  28. 27a, in lieu of 28d,
    One serves = racquet ~ racket
    auditor = H I

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  29. 29D - (TI(-N)(D)Y)
    Little - TINY
    daughter - D
    new - N
    neat! = TIDY. put things in order

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  30. Nice pangram from Hypatia. Missed her grid last month. Interesting grid with plenty of 4- and 5-letter words, and the occasional cheeky wording. Nice wordplay for CHAPRASSI, and good use of "craft" as ARK. I enjoyed 17A "changed what happened at noon? (7) AMENDED".

    My main complaint about today's clues would be in 5D "Old fellow fractures finger in the present (8) OFFERING" in which I must point out that OFFERING is "A" present and not "THE" present as indicated in the clue. THE present would indicate that the definition is for "now", or for a specific present from prior context, which is lacking.

    CHAR as "daily" seems dated but acceptable I suppose.

    Nice to see the setter reference internet-culture in many places.

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    1. The clue make no sense if you put A instead of THE!!

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    2. How about
      Old fellow fractures finger at present (8)

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    3. Or
      Old fellow fractures finger 'as' present.

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    4. Or
      Old fellow took finger as present.

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    5. I would prefer "Old fellow fractures finger 'as' present", rather than using "took", as "fractures" is the anagrind while took does not indicate anagram.

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    6. @Rao Pilla's option also has the benefit of not using the debatable "[Wordplay] in [Definition]" syntax with the directional "in"

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    7. I simply go by the all the purpose " 's".
      finger's present.
      The stands out between wp and def.

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    8. But if one has to accept "in" to mean found in, seen in types:
      We might as well extend that to "found in the"

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    9. I have another doubt- is 'fractures' a proper anagrind?

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    10. Technically fractures does indicate anagram. But the clue has to stay as published for the sentence to make sense.
      My final take
      Old fellow mistook finger for present.

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    11. Thanks Economizer. Colonel - Appreciate if you could add the "Pangram" label as well. Glad to know which clues you liked.

      I see the point you make with respect to "the present" vs "present". As noted by Colonel, the clue loses cryptic reading when you replace "the" or any other connector as can be seen in the thread.

      Also, "fractures" is certainly a valid anagram indicator - in the context of cracks/breaks. I am not sure why there is a doubt about this (Padmanabhan sir at 16:24)

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  31. Char is very commonly used in CW's.
    About 'the present'- I suppose it was expected to be a red herring. I got fooled too for a while.

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  32. "Within" means "contained in", therefore its antonym "without" means "containing".

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  33. Thank you Hypatia ma'am for the engaging and engrossing puzzle !!!

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  34. I thought yday - the huge discussion was definition - linkword - wp if the linkword is in.
    By that logic - old fellow fractures finger IN the present is not following the correct direction. Isn't it?
    @ Economizer?

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  35. Nice grid. Easier than usual Hypatia.
    My fav - GOLD CARD, DARK WEB, AMENDED.
    Thanx

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  36. Same with 8dn - silver head frequently seen IN elderly.
    Again wp IN solution.

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  37. Sathia - sorry to disappoint you. Would be happy to receive your feedback and improve on the surfaces that you think can be written better.

    Also please see refer to this link with respect to Foreboding

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  38. Thanks for your feedback Gowri. Good to know which clues you liked.

    On WP Def - many professional setters have chimed in on this. Also please see Bhala (XChequer)'s comments on the subject.

    I have seen it widely used both in clue writing competitions and published grids and don't think there should be any issues in using it as such.

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    1. Thanx Hypatia.
      I am a complete novice. Was merely pointing out what was discussed earlier.
      Glad to know ur views.

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