Satyen Nabar's Sun Spl analysed

Tuesday, 8 August 2023

No 13938, Tuesday 08 Aug 2023, Incognito

Solution to 18A has been deliberately left unsolved and is to be answered only by a non-regular / novice commenter, with proper annotation. Those who have answered earlier in the week, please give others a chance.

Open for anyone to answer, if not solved by 1 PM.

ACROSS
8   At heart, noblemen have no time for a month of fasting (4) LENT {nobLEmen}{N}{T}
9   Average train speed is wrong (10) PEDESTRIAN*
10 Trim girl starts to like Indian kid brought up in the jungle (6) MOWGLI {MOW}{G}{Like}{In...n}
Drawing by Bhargav

11 Rips and stares (5,3) TEARS OFF {STARE}* [RA] Extra S in the fodder
12 Sorts rags near building (8) ARRANGES*
14 South east gets identical oilseed (6) SESAME {SE}{SAME}
16 Neglect love at premier technological institute (4) OMIT {O}{MIT}
17 Foreigner's rule (5) REIGN [T]
18 Col.'s permission to go out of camp (4) P?S? (Addendum - PASS [DD] - See comments))
19 Disclose about meat (6) REVEAL {RE}{VEAL}
21 Carrying bread, stumped editor walked slowly (8) STROLLED {ROLL} in {ST}{ED}
23 Deliver diamonds in German city (8) HANDOVER {HAN{D}OVER}
26 Bonsai cultivated in European region (6) BOSNIA*
27 Wrongly trains gentleman to make chemical which causes skin to tighten (10) ASTRINGENT {TRAINS*}{GENT}
28 Ignoring beginning of activity, amuse flying birds (4) EMUS aMUSE*

DOWN
 A small quantity containing powdered ore included in a postal item (10) AEROGRAMME {A}{ORE*}{GRAMME} I wonder if anyone uses this anymore?
2   Name insect that is behind animal that is standing (8) STAGNANT {N}{ANT}<=>{STAG}
3   Seasonal rivulet? (6) SPRING [DD]
4   Irritated, tired, not having a bit of rest-what does a newspaper boss do? (4) EDIT TIrED*
5   Killer from NASA's ISS is agitated (8) ASSASSIN*
6   Holds top of pole planted in lawn, perhaps (6) GRASPS {GRAS{Pole}S}
7   Young animal caught by Alfred is colourless (4) CALF {C}{ALFred}
13 Moves prisons (5) STIRS [DD]
15 Setter's street has serious trouble after Pole leaves. Strange! (10) MYSTERIOUS {MY}{ST}{SERIOUs}* 
17 Apt student given shelter by veteran at sea (8) RELEVANT {RE{L}EVANT*}
18 Rubs hip and soles in a frenzy (8) POLISHES*
20 Tolerate English leader under transfer (6) ENDURE {En...h}{UNDER}*
22 Discount on racket with bridge player (6) REBATE {RE}{BAT}{E}
24 Appears in professional soccer too (4) ALSO [T]
25 Damaged foredeck in absence of dock in shoal (4) REEF FoREdEck*

Reference List
No = N, Time = T, Girl = G, About = RE, Stumped = ST, Editor = ED, Diamonds = D, Name = N, Caught = C, Street = ST, Pole = S, Student = L, On = RE, Bridge player = E(East)

28 comments:

  1. 1d What is the role of 'included' in the clue?

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  2. Gramme & Aerogramme- both are outdated, spelling wise and usage wise!
    Looks like there are 2 containment indicators- Containing & included.

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  3. Zephyr,breeze....whatever you want to call it is pleasant and enjoyable.

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  4. ***** Rating as Crossword Puzzles go. Please Keep it up and appear more often for the sake of ignoromous like me who can never finish puzzles set by Avatar Gussalufz Vidwan et al.

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  5. Vladimir was LENT a thousand dollars by a MYSTERIOUS person.
    He thereafter received an AEROGRAMME stating that flight tickets were being sold with a huge REBATE. He could no longer ENDURE his waiting.
    So he ARRANGES to buy a ticket to Chennai.
    "Should I open my heart and REVEAL my thoughts?"
    What happened next?

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    1. Sir, Super drawing of Mowgli

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    2. 18a - post; colonel is a post. Also, permission to go is "out" and when it's out of outpost (i.e., camp) it leads to "post"

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    3. @Bhargav Nice to see your sketches. Welcome to Chennai. Hope Vladimir encounters Stalin during his trip.

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  6. 18Ac PASS -DD - Vil is mountain pass and permission to leave camp is also a pass

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  7. CGB, Prasanna sends his complements & appreciation of Mougli. He is unable to log in due to network problems in his remote site. Was able to send a whatsapp msg to me.

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  8. 11A Rips and stares(5,3)
    Can we say 'tear s off' stares

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  9. In tune with better late than never, I accessed our blog-site, well past five in the evening. Happy to mention that I managed to solve all the clues except 3-D and realised just now as to why I never gave a thought to this 'Seasonal' aspect being SPRING. Yes, both rivulet & spring happen to be sources of water.
    All said and done, thanks to 'Incognito' Mr. Kishore Rao for setting encouraging grid for at least thrice a week or as per the roster charted by Col. Saab.

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  11. A sprightly breezy STROLL today. Along the PEDESTRIAN walkway. With a SPRING in ones step. And no stretches. Thanx Kishore.
    My Cod - PASS. Literally our Cols permission to post comments, stories & art work here. Not to mention Limericks & Haikus.& ofcourse Vladimirs adventures.

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  12. Today's crossword and sudoku were of comparable difficulty in the paper, although usually the sudoku is rather easier to complete.

    Some memorable clues were 21A {ST}{ROLL}{ED} (“Carrying bread, stumped editor walked slowly”) and 23A {HAN{D}OVER} (“Deliver diamonds in German city”). Both the selection of the word and the surface reading were amusing for 10A {MOW}{G}{L}{I} (“Trim girl starts to like Indian kid brought up in the jungle”). 2D {STAG}{N}{ANT} and 6D {GRAS{P}S} were well-clued.

    It was nice to see Col. make an appearance in 18A. A clever deletion indicator was used in 7D {C}{ALF(-red)} (“Young animal caught by Alfred is colourless”). Once again, the setter has provided an anagram with subtractions in 25D, which is again fairer than the combined anagram format, similar to 3D OCTROI in yesterday’s edition.

    Surface readings were quite good in many clues, notably the romantic tone of 10A, discreet glamour in 23A and seeming frustration of 4D. However, the clueing of 5D was not only too easy (giving the anagram fodder in all caps), but failed to convince because neither does the ISS belong to NASA, nor is it likely to find a killer on board!

    Others have pointed out the apparent error in 11A (extra S) and the superfluous container indicator in 1D. Additionally I noted that "leader" seemed unnecessary in 20D considering English is already shortens to the letter E. In 3D, SPRING is a season and a source of water from underground, but I cannot be convinced that SPRING is either “seasonal” or a “rivulet” - the setter has has barely saved himself by using a question mark in this double-definition clue.

    AEROGRAMME is a concept that predates me (b. 1990). However, I have heard from my father of correspondence involving aerogrammes from his college days in the 1980s. I have seen some examples of “inland letter” which is somewhat similar in design to aerogrammes - my grandfather used these until around 2000s (when he got onto email) to communicate with his siblings in Bangalore.

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    1. A small suggestion: while its welcome to discuss on the syntax and framing of the clue, which is not exact science, synonyms and meanings have a common reference OED.
      Pls check thoroughly before commenting their suitability in the clue context.

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    2. @Sree Sree Thank you for your suggestion. As you have not specified which of my comments you have taken objection to, I must assume you are referring to my comment on the meaning of the word SPRING.

      Though I was unable to access OED, I have checked Cambridge and Chambers, which, in the case of a common term like SPRING should hopefully satisfy you.

      Having checked references, I can confidently say that SPRING is defined as a season between Winter and Summer. However, seasonal is an adjective. Spring is not defined as an adjective. As a noun, SPRING is defined as a place where water naturally emerges from the ground. A "rivulet" is defined as a stream of liquid, which is not the same thing.

      If you think I am mistaken, kindly share any specific reference that I may have missed. I will correct my understanding based on the same.

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  13. 17D Typo in annotation
    RELEVANT {REVE{L}ANT}*

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