Sunday, 21 April 2024

Special, Sunday 21 Apr 2024, Ghaza

Three answers per commenter till 6 PM (Annotations compulsory) 
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92 comments:

  1. 1ac - PLEBBY - vulgar
    Acrostic

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    1. 1dn - PIRANHA - aquatic predator
      (Hairpin - I +a)*
      Twisted angrind

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    2. 11ac - ANNEAL - toughen
      Anne - Frank Diarist
      Al - criminal Al capone

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    3. Replacement
      7dn - ANIMALS - DD

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  2. 2D EAGLE = under par { bEAGLE, dog minus B}

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    1. 11A ANNEAL = toughen { ANNE, Diarist ANNE FRANK + AL , criminal}

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    2. 12A ICE CREAM = child's favourite dessert { Diamond ICE + elite CREAM}

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    3. 8D HOMING PIGEONS = erst while postmen { Coming, arriving minus C + H, HOMING , IG police Officer Surrounded by PEONS orderlies}
      (As replacement)

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  3. 16a: HERON (HER)(ON)
    28A: ADORES AnD fOuR gEmS
    21D: IMPALA (IM(PAL)A)

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  4. 12A: child’s favourite dessert= ice cream
    Elite is cream
    Diamonds are ice
    Hence, ice cream
    5D: herbivores = ibexes
    Intelligent bureau is ib
    Former lovers are exes
    Hence ib+exes
    Sathia

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  5. 28ac adores AnD fOuR gEmS
    21dn impala (I)ndian ( m)edical (pal)
    (a) ssociation
    12ac ice cream
    Ice(diamonds) cream(elite)

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  6. 18a MINCEMEAT: slaughter
    ( ice man met)*

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    1. 17d EXOGAMY: marriage outside one’s clan, may be love marriage
      A MY: a setter’s
      EG: say
      X: kiss O: hug?

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    2. 14d THOUSANDS:M,G, K
      THOU: you long ago
      SANDS: beaches

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    3. 14d anno: M is the Roman numeral for thousand
      G stands for grand(thousand)
      K: kilo: thousand

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    4. 17d - kiss is o
      Hug is x

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    5. 18A- The whole def.is the clue? CD?

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    6. Love Marriage is the definition.

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    7. @ Gowri: kiss is x and hug is o. I was sure about x. I have since verified for o.

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    8. @Gowri
      The X represents a kiss, while the O represents a hug. This is most likely because the X is a stylized way of showing two mouths kissing, and the O looks like two pairs of arms connecting for a hug
      Extracted from net.

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  7. 7D: thematic pink floyd album = animals (CD)
    Sathia

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  8. Replacement for 22d
    27a: YES-MAN (YES)(MAN)

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  9. 27A- Yes-man= Sycophant.
    Yes Man. Approval-Yes.
    Man from manage? Or M from manage and an from A.

    21D- Impala- IM(PAL)A
    Friend= Pal and IMA from Indian Medical Assn.

    I stop with 2.

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  10. In lieu of 5D,
    22A: soup= consommé
    Cheats are cons
    Old monk is om
    Plus me
    Hence, cons+om+me
    Sathia

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  11. 20 dn actuals law-cat u-universal a house-LS lok sabha.
    26 ac toad -towed

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  12. 14d. THOUSANDS
    You long ago- Thou
    Beaches- sands
    Definition: M.G.K (M G K represent 1000)

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  13. 19d. CRAWDAD
    Cold - C
    Rough - Raw
    Parent - Dad
    Definition - swimmer

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  14. 6 Down AS PER NORMS.
    AGENT - REP REVAMPS MANORS

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  15. 8d. HOMING PIGEONS
    Arriving-Coming
    Hot rather than cold - H replacing C in Coming
    Police officer - IG
    Orderlies - Peons
    Ig surrounded by peons: Pigeons
    Definition: Erstwhile postmen

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  16. Nice grid. Though could not parse Yes Man.
    Loved THOUSANDS, EXOGAMY, CONSOMME, CRAWDAD.
    Thanx Ghaza for a nice Sunday fare!

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  17. 8D: HOMING PIGEONS H(-C) OMING + IG in PEONS
    23A: AGOUTI GOUT in AI
    I think all other clues are solved. Good crossword

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  18. 15A is not yet done. I have got a doubt there.
    Anyone to the rescue?
    Chocolate dessert.....

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    1. The clue is it sounds like chocolate dessert.
      Sathia

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  19. 25a MAINTAINED = Provided
    MAIN = Sea
    Stained= coloured (-) S , for dropping S= TAINED
    MAIN+TAINED

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  20. "Separately" may also indicate dropping and S are to be apart

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  21. 23a, rodent = agouti
    Disease = gout
    Artificial intelligence = A I
    [ A (gout) i]

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  22. Not done to my knowlrdge. Since I had done only 2 I will take 25A
    Maintained. Def.- Provided
    Sea- Main
    Coloured- Tainted.
    Droppings separately leads to omitting T. Not quite sure how.
    Main (Tainted-T)

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  23. 20d, physical commodities = actuals
    Lawc= act
    Universal = u
    A house = A LS ( lok sabha)

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  24. Ramachandran has given the correct solution. It is stained- S- Tained
    Dropping S (Separately)

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  25. 4a CICADA = Computer language on electronics chip

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    1. CAD is computer language. But CIA is electronic chip?

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    2. Cicada language is a dependently typed programming language and an interactive theorem prover.

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    3. ADA is a computer language.
      C is computer
      IC is electronic chip.

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    4. So can we say C and ADA(computer languages) over IC giving (C)(IC)(ADA) - crawler(defn)?

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    5. We can. You have nailed it. I had my doubts but indeed ADA is a comp language. Good solve there!!

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    6. Ada is a language as is C.
      Cad is not a language. It's an application using Lisp & other languages.

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    7. We can call it a team effort. @Geetha almost solved it. I just put the anno together.

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  26. My third
    10a CLOSED PAIR = Connected bodies
    CD = cryptic definition, about LOSE = Fail
    PAIR = Two
    C+LOSE+D PAIR

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  27. It's been ages since I solved something from the specials so let me solve the last two
    15A - MOOSE (~ mousse)
    24D - OTTER (-p)OTTER

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  28. Col. 15A- Is ordered a proper homophone indicator?
    Would not 'heard' have been better?

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  29. Col, I request again that the setter's annotations be published after the grid has been filled by the solvers. 🙏

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    1. Ask if you have a doubt. Today Ghaza us in the US and is unable to answer.

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  30. Col - I had a q. What's the parsing for YES MAN?

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    1. ‹ ›27a. Approval(YES) to manage(MAN) a sycophant(defn) - YES-MAN
      Not a great clue.

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  31. Thanks everyone for spending time on this puzzle. Thanks for the discussion and all the comments. I'm in a different time zone, so I was asleep while you all were solving this.

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  32. Here are some of the intended annotations

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  33. 4a. Yes, C and ADA are the computer languages

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    1. "running" and "on an" were supposed to convey it

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    2. Dont think "on" Is a container. Running over would have been better.

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    3. Well, I tried to phrase that one exactly as someone like me (someone who works with computer programs) would say it. I agree it defies cryptic crossword styles. And we have crawlers also in our domain, they can be helpful or harmful in a deadly way.

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    4. But then, a crawler would run computer programs, not languages, on the hardware.

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  34. 15a. Ordered was the homophone indicator, as in when one orders food by telling the waiter. In case it is not a good way to clue, do tell me.

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    1. "Homophone indicators: These words give a sense of something being listened to or said aloud. They can include words such as on the air, broadcast, I hear, said, declared, audibly, outspoken, reportedly, sounds like and vocal."

      Operative word:
      being listened to. (Something said aloud would be listened to).

      Ordered here need to be understood as a verbal order.
      And even so it is so definitive that it implies that what is said is understood correctly and implemented.

      No scope for ambiguous understanding which is a requirement for hp indicator.

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    2. Hi Sree Sree,

      Doesn't the waiter get it wrong quite often? At least it happens to me a lot.

      I do see the point that ordered is not used as a homophone indicator in cryptic crosswords, there are plenty of terms used commonly, as you have listed.

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    3. A pro waiter always repeats and confirms what he heard!
      Some NY restuarants taught me that "customer is expected to ask the waiter to repeat and confirm. Thats part of ordering process"

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  35. 18a. Slaughter was on double duty, meaning as well as anind

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  36. 27a. Rao's explanation at 16:08 is as intended.

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  37. 17d. I was trying to use the XOXO terms used in short messages these days. I'm looking at the Wikipedia link again now. XO is hugs and kisses. But now I am getting confused, is X the kiss or is O the kiss, or is XO just together hugs and kisses ???

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    1. ACRONYMS DICTIONARY
      XOX
      or XOXO

      May 22, 2018
      WHAT DOES XOX MEAN?

      XOX, or XOXO, means hugs and kisses, with the x representing kisses and the o representing hugs. It’s usually used as a lighthearted way of expressing affection, sincerity, or deep friendship.

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  38. Maybe, to be more precise, the clue should have been "Say, hugs and kisses within . . . "

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    1. Christians (x) kiss, jews hug. (Just a way to remember)

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    2. I thought in gen z language -
      X is hugs showing crossed arms
      O is kiss - showing a puckered mouth.

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    3. My understanding is a hug is when our hands go around another person. - O
      Kiss is crossing of lips. Also when the word is reduced to a single letter, it becomes X.

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  39. All in all, precision is what is needed in cryptic CW and not doubts and guesses.
    Also, Computer wizards (as I would like to call them) assume what they know is known to everybody- not necessarily.

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