Friday, 22 October 2010

No 9980, Friday 22 Oct 10, Neyartha

Was pleasantly surprised when I zipped through today's Neyartha offering, am I getting better or was this an easier offering from Neyartha.
ACROSS
1   - Formerly free hero to get upset (10) - HERETOFORE*
6   - Initially request some volunteering postmen to notify the host (1,1,1,1) - {R} {S} {V} {P}
10 - Carriage caught with mails in some fence parts (9) - {GATE}{POSTS} (Addendum - (~gait){GATE}{POSTS} - See comments)
11 - Family division (5) - CLASS [DD]
12 - Detected a respiratory disease, upon which Gogo gets worried (8,5) - WHOOPING COUGH*
14 - Wish for the student to get expelled by the Yankee master (5) - (-l+y)YEARN
15 - Part of a book and a note found on fur sent back by the date (5,4) - {TI}{TLE P<-}{AGE}
17 - Greek character leaves surprised Ecuadoreans with some phone numbers (4,5) - AREA CODESnu*
21 - Mental description of a psychological barrier (5) - BLOCK [DD]
22 - Bone of bear attached to the dagger (8,5) - {SHOULDER} {BLADE}
24 - Animal employed near a ravine (5) - {A{BY}SS} Nice one
25 - Fix flipped membrane outside the gut (9) - {IN{TES<-}TINE
26 - Saw psychopath in hiding (4) - CHOP [T]
27 - Trouble foreseen when protecting saint with some fruits (10) - {FREE{ST}ONES*}
DOWN
1   - Trunk road crew spots a bandit (10) - {HIGHWAY}{MAN}


2   - Explanation for accidental alteration by missing model (9) - RATIONALEt*
3   - Pause first to get to the bottom and hold down the result of some strokes (7) - {(-s)TOP(+s)S}{PIN} Took a while to get the anno for this
4   - X turns up after a search for the meshed fabric (7) - {FISH}{NET<-}
5   - Pronounced lines on clip that was made almost hemispherical (4-3) - (~rows){ROSE}-{CUT}
7   - Hit that may be a big success (5) - SMASH [DD]
8   - Advertise to the press (4) - PUSH [DD]
9   - Champion claiming Charlie (American) is in charge (6) - {AC{C}{US}E}
13 - Seek beeper annoying the apiarists (10) - BEEKEEPERS*
16 - Plea to outlaw the Democrat's sideline pursuit (9) - AdVOCATION Another nice one
18 - Rowdy choirboys (except for the one-third in the centre) are difficult to please (6) - CHOOSYirb*
19 - Trifler to study write-up about trouble from the south (7) - {DA{LLI}ER} <-
20 - Unusual spectre with a ceremonial staff (7) - SCEPTRE*
21 - Take watchful responsibility for 24 Ac. briefly during the scrap (7) - {B{ABYSs}IT}


22 - Extract from the essay Sowmya wrote with authority (3-2) - SAY-SO [T]
23 - Speak about using carbon to extract potassium out of fine mineral (4) - TAL(-k+c)C

89 comments:

  1. YESSSSSS!!!! Another complete! I feel so much better today! I figure… if I can finish Neyartha’s CW, then I feel justified in cribbing about Manna. :-D Anyway, moving on from MM, onto more pleasant topics… like today’s CW!

    Very nice one today. Had trouble w/ some clues, needed some online help, but did enjoy it… and did I mention… FINISH it!!!

    Yeehaw! :-D

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  2. Hi friends

    Liked HERETOFORE (first thought of HEREBEFORE!), GATEPOSTS, WHOOPING COUGH, TITLE PAGE, AREA CODES, SHOULDER BLADE, INTESTINE, FREESTONES, BEEKEEPERS, AVOCATION etc.

    SAY SO brought a smile.

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  3. Hi
    Did not know FREESTONES were fruits. Had to use dictionary to confirm.
    Could not see any theme, except that a few are medical: WHOOPING COUGH, SHOULDER BLADE, INTESTINE.
    1d reminded of the Poem
    Liked A(-d)VOCATION, (-s)TOP(+S)PIN, AC(C-US)E., GATE(POST)S*. Specially liked 2a with two possible Ainds in the first reading, accidental and alteration, leading to a question whether alteration has met with an accident or accidental has been altered. And as CV pointed out in Orkut, both have 10 letters and the letter T which is intended to be deleted.

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  4. 10A Carriage=STAGE, Mails=POST, Caught with Aind,In=inserticator

    hence

    GATE(POST)S*

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  5. Kishore,

    I don't think 'Caught with' qualifies as an AInd

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  6. I feel there is something amiss in that clue, from the reading it looks like

    Mails in some fence parts = {GATE{POST}S} in which case Carriage becomes the definition but I couldn't connect Carriage and Gateposts

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  7. Actually it is
    GATE (~gait = carriage, way one carries oneself), 'caught' being he hom. ind.) + POSTS

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  8. Thanks CV,

    That is the Anno I had put in but I couldn't link Carriage with GATE at that time

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  9. Yup, CV, sounds more like it. Thanks.

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  10. is 'caught' a typical hom. ind.?

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  11. I have not seen caught being commonly used in THC as a homonym indicator. However, caught used in the sense of catching a conversation etc. can be used as a homonym indicator

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  12. hmm... good to know. Thx Suresh.

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  13. Some awesome clues. Liked TOPSPIN and FISHNET a lot.

    Not sure on 24 Ac. "by" and "near" synonymous?

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  14. and Thx CV for clarifying the anno for GATEPOSTS. :)

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  15. Hari, location romba scenea irukku :)

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  16. Not sure on 24 Ac. "by" and "near" synonymous?

    I went to the wine shop. Hard by, there were many roadside stalls selling eats.

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  17. @ VJ - agreed. Some very cool clues. Personally, I thought YEARN, AREA CODES, CHOP, RATIONALE (awesome), TOPSPIN, ACCUSE, TALC were very clever.

    Re: ur q-
    - The highwayman hid near the tree.
    - The highwayman hid by the tree.
    Why not? :)

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  18. I was kinda confused 'cause I often use words like nearby, close by etc to mean "near," but have never used "by" to mean it. Thanks for clarifying.

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  19. Hari, thanks :)... I get it now. How dumb of me lol. I found it kinda new.

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  20. @ VJ 9:35 - haha. Thanks da. Athu Grand Canyon lo trekking poi irunden... 2008. My first foray into serious, long distance trekking.
    2008 - Grand Canyon
    2009 - Mt. Whitney (highest in cont. US)
    2010 - Stok Kangri, Ladakh.

    @ CV 9:36 - Sir, I think I missed ur point... did u mean "near by" or does "hard by" have another connotation? ")

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  21. Congrats Hari. Not so encouraged outing for me though. Got only half way through.

    Good day

    Mathu.

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  22. I guess it happens to me a lot more than it does to u!! :)
    Like one of today's clues... ACCUSE... defn was charge (v), but for the longest time I was trying to figure out something that meant "in charge"!

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  23. Thanks Mathu! I guess Manna rubbed off on you! :) I was having a lot of trouble w/ him... great effort to get past half the grid... but u started reading him pretty well I guess. I'm sure you'll be sanitized by tomorrow! haha

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  24. Hmm... maybe I'm being to harsh on MM... I'll retract that barb... conditionally! Will reserve judgement till next time around!

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  25. Hari
    I recognised it as Grand Canyon, though I have not been there as yet in my five trips to the US.
    * * *
    "by" means "near", "hard by" means "very near". That's all to it.
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/hard-by

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  26. Anybody recall the Wodehouse novel where there are two or three pages about this guy complaining to the Police about being being hit by the tree or something like that. Quite hilarious it was

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  27. Was pleasantly surprised when I zipped through today's Neyartha offering, am I getting better or was this an easier offering from Neyartha.

    I felt the same way.

    Incidentally anybody spot the theme in the CW. I haven't.

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  28. @ CV 9:55 - Thx. Now that you explain it, "hard by" does sound vaguely familiar. :)
    I hope that your next visit to the US takes you thro' the GC! It's definitely worth seeing. :)

    @ Suresh 9:57 - Unable to spot the theme. :(

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  29. Suresh and others,

    I have a confession to make - I have never read P.G. Wodehouse and I want to rectify this. What should I start with? Better yet, is there a collection that I should order from Amazon? I will greatly appreciate your help.

    Satya

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  30. And oh...

    @ Neyartha : If you're reading this blog, we were "PLEASANTLY" surprised by the offering today! So no need to make it killer tough for tomorrow!!! :-) :-)

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  31. @ Satya - :) You're not alone! I made 2 attempts in my younger days... but it never really grew on me. :)

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  32. Hari @10:09,

    Maybe the operative phrase in your post is "younger days". Is it possible that you and I have matured a bit and perhaps will have a totally different take on the same now? After all, look at us, enjoying the nerdy pursuit of solving cryptic crosswords!!! :-)

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  33. @ Satya - Lol!! Careful now, ur gonna rile some feathers calling this a nerdy pursuit!! :-D
    True, I think I'll probably enjoy it a lot more now, but I've never been a huge fan of Brit humour... "Mind your Language" and "Yes Minister" being huge exceptions! :) Also, I end up spending my non-CW time devising punishing workouts for the body... so I haven't read books (novels) in some time. Hmm... I need to look into that.. :)

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  34. Satya,

    I suggest you start with Plum's short stories as they would give you a feel of the different series of stories. Otherwise, you can start with Jeeves books, then Monty Bodkin ones, then Psmith ones and Golf and Mulliner books.
    This is my suggestion,others may have different opinion.

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  35. Satya
    Start with any non-Jeeves novel. (Many PGW fans here may be horrified when I say this but anyway this is my opinion.)
    Take The Mating Season, for instance.
    I enjoyed this novel (among others) very much. One chapter (14, if I remember right but I read the novel decades ago) was so hilarious that I reread it before moving on to the next!
    Understand that one must have familiarity with literature to enjoy some humour. Also one sentence in one para may not evoke immediate mirth. But several paras down when a second reference comes you connect the latter with the former and laugh.
    If you revel in the Englishlanguage you will have fun.
    After having read this and a few other novels such as The Girl in the Boat, Frozen Assets, etc. stop reading PGW. For it may be the old wine.

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  36. I had not seen Kishore's post as I was typing my Comment.

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  37. Satya, I used to like Wodehouse a lot when I was in high school. I think I've read his entire collection. I think you should try either Jeeves omnibus or Blandings omnibus. These two series are the best IMO. You'll have at least 30 odd novels in these

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  38. Hari, Kishore avure, CVasi sir,

    Thank you very much for your input. The local library has "The world of Jeeves" readily available. Perhaps, I'll start with that.

    Thank you all once again.

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  39. Hari (945), that's really awesome. I think Everest must be your next stop!!

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  40. Leave it to Psmith is my favourite Wodehouse. But almost any place is a good place to start. The style is similar.

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  41. Talking of humour (laced with satire) read 'Catch 22" by Joseph Heller. The style takes some time getting used to, but it is fantastic

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  42. @Satya: Wodehouse novels are good for light reading - have over 40 books in my collection. Personal favourites include the Jeeves & Blandings series.

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  43. suresh

    The size of the book catch 22 prevented me to take that out of book store almirah. A casual browsing made me even nervous.

    Regarding wodehouse i tried some. But not seriously though.

    @ Hari you seems to aim and achieve(d) greater heights literally and verbally ( cross words ) too.

    @ suresh: i read with envy of your view on todays offering of Neyartha. You are not getting better as you already the BEST.

    Mathu

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  44. @ suresh: i read with envy of your view on todays offering of Neyartha. You are not getting better as you already the BEST.

    Wonder what he meant by that!!

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  45. Mathu you have to read Catch 22 twice to really enjoy it.

    Does that make you more nervous to start?

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  46. Suresh and Sandhya,

    Thank you very much for your input. Sandhyagaru, are you a graduate of Central University, by any chance? Your literary skills prompt me to assume that. :-)

    Got a morning class to teach, so off to bed. Good day, folks.

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  47. Incidentally, Mathu Wodehouse is not meant to be read 'seriously' You like the style or you don't. No maybe here.

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  48. I am not too surprised that the theme in the puzzle wasn't evident to solvers. In fact, I had to pull up my old files to find out what the theme was myself.

    Anyways, the theme words in the puzzle were:

    BLOCK

    CHOP

    TOPSPIN

    SMASH

    PUSH

    These are all varieties of table tennis strokes, which, incidentally, is a game I enjoy playing :)

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  49. I would never have got the theme, Neyartha

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  50. Wow. now a novel subject for discussion...

    10:58 Satya-garu, just a correction. The Kannada equivalent suffix for garu in Telugu and avargaL in Tamil is avare, and not avure. It should be used only as a suffix after the proper name while addressing a person.

    But it should also be borne in mind that Avare by itself is the Kannada name of a pulswe, I think its botanical name is Phaseolus radiatus.

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  51. Corr. to last sentence above'...Kannada name of a pulse...'.

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  52. Neyartha, nice... It'd work for tennis too, which I love playing :) I knew something strange was happening when I saw the word TOPSPIN. Not the kinda word you'd often see on a crossword grid.

    Great job :)

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  53. PGW grows on u. u can not stop once u have started. U will enjoy more after many a reading.

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  54. There the theme is out now and it had to be Neyartha to point it out, none of us latched on to it. Looks so obvious when pointed out!!

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  55. Neyartha

    Five is quite a small number of words to make a theme. Please ensure at least one-fourth or one-fifth of the clues are thematic.

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  56. @ Neyartha : When I looked at the list of theme words, my first instinct was to think of some kind of Martial Arts... being an avid martial arts exponent! :-D
    ... altho' being an "ex"-avid TT player myself, I shud've guessed. haha

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  57. hmm... just wondering... does this mean I'm in a violent mood?! LoL!

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  58. Instead I pictured a hazy theme of babies - babysit, intestine (re: baby colic), talc (talcum powder) and whooping cough :D

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  59. Gateposts should be with Class and Title page could be Yearned as no one is available to Block the people with their Shoulder blade erect, Intestines are brimming with confidence instead of Chopping the Free stones and fell in an Abyss, down with a Whopping cough conned by a Highway man without Rationale caught us with a Rose cut Fish net and Smashed us with hard Pushed Top spin,literally made us to select an Avocation to Baby sit as a Sceptre then Choosy about the Talc if i may Say so.

    Heretofore

    Rsvp.

    mathu

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  60. The fact that even N had to refer to archives to figure out the theme makes it apparent that it is not easily apparent.

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  61. CV1050: I fully agree with you that The Mating Season is a pippin and so is Leave to Psmith. My only objective was that an anthology of short stories would give a reader a variety of types he may choose from. For eg: A lot of people in our family (which quotes Plum forth and back, or the other way round) don't like the school, golf and Mulliner stories. In fact, silence on the topic from some regulars here also shows that they may not be PGW fans. My Grandpa had a special liking for Jeeves and that is how I first tasted Plum.

    In fact, Leave it to Psmith was made into a Hindi serial called 'Isi bahane' with Saeed Jaffey, Mazhar Khan and Lilliput, but I vaguely remember that the titles said it was based on Molière, surprisingly. A mulligan if I am wrong.

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  62. Across the pale parabola of Joy:

    I remember a mention of Major Brabazon-Plank who has an elder brother who is a miner. So, the major Mr Plank is a miner and the minor Mr Plank is a Major.

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  63. I for one am definitely not a PGW fan. While in college I did pick up one to read, from my Dad'scollection, but gave up after the first few pages

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  64. Deepak: Paraphrasing The Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond and changing the second line in this quote:

    Oh, ye'll tak' the high road, and I'll tak' the low road,
    And ye're in Scotland afore me;

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  65. @ Col 15:55 - You have no idea how good u made me feel w/ ur comment! I thot I was the only weirdo who didn't care for PGW! :) THANK YOU for making me feel like a normal human being w/ tastes that don't conform to the norm! :-D

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  66. @Satya: I'm a commerce grad with a passion for reading :)

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  67. My blog on today's FT crossword for fifteensquared is here: http://fifteensquared.net/2010/10/22/financial-times-13523-bradman/
    If you want to solve the puz before reading the blog, here it is:
    http://www.ft.com/arts/crossword
    (Click on the link for 13,523)

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  68. I am also a PG wodehouse fan, having read most of his books discussed here in college days.It is time to revisit Plum. What I enjoyed was that you can laugh about some of the situations/descriptions at different times whenever and wherever you can recall.As CV sir said, you simply fall for his English uasage.

    My vote is for Brinkley Manor.

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  69. When young through Mills & Boon, Barbara Cartland and Georgette Heyer I had an understanding of English way of life that helped me in acquiring a taste for PGW afterwards.

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  70. Muthaiah,
    You read Mills & Boon? Are you joking?

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  71. Hey Hari! I have a completed grid too! *virtual hi-five*

    Of course, I took my time with it; a lot of annos pending, especially ROSE CUT -- the last one to be "solved." I absolutely had no idea, but anyway I just had to fill it out with vowels. No googling done but there was heavy dictionary use; I still haven't come to the point where I can dispense with that addictive of books for solving a crossword.


    And as for the other topic the day: it's probably not surprising that the person who introduced me to THC also introduced me to PGW. My late grandfather absolutely loved the language, and was a voracious reader. When he first recommended Wodehouse (I was in my early teens), I didn't read it since I had stopped reading fiction altogether then. It was just a few years ago I picked up Wodehouse from the library and loved his words [not a typo] from the get-go. I don't think I have ever laughed so hard while alone in a room having only a book for company.

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  72. 4D's a nice one. I though it was a CD (assuming "X turns up..." to be equivalent to " [It] turns up...") until I saw the anno here.

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  73. While my dad exposed me to Plum as a Young Man in Spats, I used to enjoy my Eggs, Beans and Crumpets, laughing at The Luck of the Bodkins. Having lived through the lives and times of a hilarious mix of uncles, aunts, fiances, friends, fiends, goofs, (to say nothing of the plots in castles with Wheels within Wheels), the one episode that unflinchingly throws itself in front of my face, with a level of consistency akin to Sachin scoring a 100, is Gussie-Spink-Bottle-Fitz-Nottle-Fink-Nottle's speech at Market Snodsbury.

    Right Ho, then, I'd also recommend "A Hitch Hiker's Guide to Galaxy" by Douglas Adams, who has a style of writing similar to that of Plum and was acknowledged of this fact by Plum himself.

    Love Catch 22 too. Especially The Texan.

    Since no discussion on PGW is complete without a quote from Jeeves and Wooster,

    Wooster: "I don't know what you've been doing to the cooker, Comrade Jeeves, but I don't seem to be able to get the gas lit."

    Jeeves gets up and whispers as he slinks by: "It's electric, Sir."

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  74. Lil Shaq:

    Do you eat fish, read Spinoza and does your head stick out at the back? If so, join the Drones, the Pelican or the Senior Conservative and we can throw bread crumbs at each other.

    By the way, I never had any liking for Bills and Moon.

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  75. And of course, Junior Ganymede.

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  76. He had many admirable qualities, but not tact. He was the sort of man who would have tried to cheer Napoleon up by talking about the Winter Sports at Moscow.


    One of my favourites. Sorry, I forget the book and the character being referred to.

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  77. He has no bowels, of compassion, I mean

    Cant recollect the book.

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  78. By the way, surprisingly, my all time fav book is not a PGW. It is Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter.

    Any fans of EGB here?

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  79. @kishore - as a part of the tradition, i've pinched more than one policeman's helmet in this life to become an esteemed member of the Drones

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  80. Did you remember the vital part of the operation or did you have to face the beak and give a false name and be parted from a tenner.

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  81. I also think Utpal Dutt being mistaken for a gardener in Golmaal is a take off on Elmsworth and the like being mistaken as pigmen, gardners and the like.

    Once I happened to be in Chennai and having heard that one my cousins whom I had not seen for nearly ten years was working at The Connemara and having decided to surprise her walked into the lobby, up to the desk and asked the lady, "Can I speak to Ms.X, please"?. Upon which the lady in question showed some funny symptoms: Enlargement of the eyes and covering of the mouth with a dainty hand. I was not incorrect in my diagnosis that this was the person I had come to meet.

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  82. Kishore@21:15, I suppose you meant GEB. I wouldn't mind getting to know Godel's stuff, think that Escher's works are totally "out there," and an ardent fan of Bach's music. Re: the book, it's right now within hand's reach, and I plan on reading it once I finish The Fountainhead (just a handful of chapters to go).

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  83. Oh, never mind. I get EGB now.

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  84. Aha, Navneeth. GEB, EGB whatever, it is perspective. The graphics on the cover says it all. On days I go gaga, I reach out for the book, have started it many times, got into trouble somewhere in the middle and gone back to the beginning again! I really love the concept of God over Djinn in the book, a superb example of a recursive acronym.

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  85. Navneeth,

    Ah! Fountainhead!

    While in college I noticed that the prep guys incessantly talked about Ayn Rand. So, finally, about 15 years later, I read Fountainhead. I will reserve my comments for now. Will be glad to discuss when you're done reading the book, though.

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  86. Richardavare,

    Thank you for the correction. I'm always delighted when someone corrects me. I figure, that way, I won't be making a fool of myself over and over again.

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  87. It is OK, Satya. I have a feeling that during your days at the KREC (now known as NIT-K), you used to hear av're, a colloquial or slightly contracted form of avare. It is not your fault if you grasped it as avure.

    Incidentally, I am pleased to share with you the flair for picking up languages of one's host territory. During my stay at various places, I have picked Kodava (Coorgi), Arabic and Swahili.

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