Saturday, 16 July 2011

No 10208, 16 Jul 11, Sankalak

ACROSS
1   - I nab traitor involved in dispute settlement (11) - ARBITRATION*
9   - A large number in factory: number one sent back (7) -{MILL}{1ON<-} MILLION
10 - Scientific statement by those people around Oregon (7) - {THE{ORE}M} THEOREM
11 - Old killer seen in sin in Jamaica (5) - NINJA [T]
12 - One getting treated in hospital but at home, long-suffering (9) - {IN}{PATIENT} INPATIENT
13 - Sound made by money — good (4) - {TIN}{G} TING
15 - Country with intelligence takes it in (7) -  {BR{IT}AIN} BRITAIN
19 - Made a bid for free food, cooked, with a bit lost (7) - OFFEREDo* OFFERED
20 - King, born for a bender (4) -{K}{NEE} KNEE
24 - Some prose by a special trooper, a symbolic representation (9) - {PARA}{GRAPH} PARAGRAPH
25 - Path taken by the central bank in books (5) - {O{RBI}T} ORBIT
27 - First of clowns reportedly hated being dressed (7) - {C}{LOTHED}(~loathed) CLOTHED
28 - Pictorial representation put up on board by Andhra University (7) - {TABLE}{A}{U} TABLEAU
29 - Superficially sweetened (5,6) - SUGAR COATED [E]
DOWN
1   - Name of man killed in battle, having lost head (5) - fALLEN ALLEN
2   - Such finery for one tying the knot (6) - BRIDAL [CD]
3   - Tissue lost in surgery (6) - TONSIL*
4   - Function on one side and play a role (3,1,4) - {ACT} {A PART} ACT A PART
5   - Who or what one is — sometimes subject to a crisis (8) - IDENTITY [CD]
6   - Scandinavian gets new organ, one transplanted (9) - (new+organ+1) NORWEGIAN*
7   - Convenience in including two points in friendliness (7) -{AM{E}{N}ITY} AMENITY
8   - Cordiality? Yes, seen around famous institute (5) - {A{M.I.T.}Y} AMITY
14 - One leaving union for ease is wrong, wicked (9) - NEFARIOUSone* NEFARIOUS
16 - Creature beginning to harness advantage, a boar (8) - {H}{EDGE}{HOG} HEDGEHOG
17 - It slows down the action of a sapper and sailor on the German (8) -{RE}{TAR}{DER} RETARDER
18 - Mythological creature reportedly dispatched gold? Right (7) - (~sent){CENT}{AU}{R} CENTAUR

SEE THIS CARTOON

21 - Hot to taste and a bit risque? (5) - SPICY [DD]
22 - Isolated area that can get hot, unstable (6) - GHETTO*
23 - Fight for an officer with club (6) - {COM}{BAT} COMBAT
26 - A mixture, of teas for instance (5) - BLEND [CD]

34 comments:

  1. Amity figures twice in two successive clues - one as part of solution (7D) and the other in solution (8D).

    It was nice to see the use of our own RBI in 25A

    All in all a very enjoyable CW and a good start to the weekend.

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  2. 10a THE(ORE)M
    THEM around ORE (Oregon)

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  3. Amity figures twice in two successive clues - one as part of solution (7D) and the other in solution (8D)

    A keen observation - one that may be expected from the commenter.

    What with answers now provided w/o annos against the clue text, the task of the setters in unenviable as Googlesearchers will always come up with duplications.

    Several decades ago solvers binned the paper. Even if they had collections of clippings with solved grids (or books of crosswords where they were solved), locating a clue from memory (except in exceptional ones such as Iodine clue that we discussed somewhere) would have been difficult. Now it is all at one's fingertips.

    Is technology, while easing the tasks of some people, making it difficult for others?

    And, as a newspaper report says, is human memory getting blunted?

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  4. Some interesting clues from other CWs today:
    New net cord starts tight (9)
    Unchanged by time, confusion about prison term is a favourite theme for authors of Romance (7,8)

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  5. Mythological creature reportedly dispatched gold? Right (7)

    Wouldn't this clue still fly w/o the final word 'Right'?

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  6. Thanks Venkatesh, theorem since corrected

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  7. CV @ 8:53,

    You mean (~sent){CENT}{AUR}(~or)

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  8. Here is something which shows the love of ancient Romans for a good crossword puzzle:

    The Sator Square, found in the ruins of Pompeii,
    is a word square with a Latin palindrome having the words SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS written in a square so that they may be read top-to-bottom, bottom-to-top, left-to-right, and right-to-left.

    The Sator Square is a four-times palindrome built into itself with the words interlocking.
    It is said to have held Christian connotations for the Romans, sometimes even taking on magical and folk uses over time.

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  9. Venkatesh, I remember CGB showing me something similar in Tamil script:

    SHI VA JI
    VA YI L
    JI L EBI

    though not backwards ! So that proves Tamils were not as backward as Romans.

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  10. It is
    SHI VA JI
    VA YI LE
    JI LE BI


    There is another one:

    KA RA DI
    RA YI L
    DI L LI

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  11. Col.
    1D-solution should be Allen,instead of Fallen.

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  12. Tamil appears to be the flavour of this weekend.

    For remembering Raghu Kalam timings, we had this popular mnemonic in Tamil:
    THIruvizha SANthadiyile VELiye PUghundu VILAyada SElvathu NYayamandru

    1 1/2 hour slots each starting from 7.30 AM.
    Thingal - Monday (7.30-9), Sani - Saturday (9-10.30), Velli - Friday (10.30-12), Budhan - Wednesday (12-1.30), Vizhazhan - Thursday(1.30-3), Sevvai - Tuesday (3.-4.30), Gnayaru - Sunday(4.30-6)

    For remembering in English, my father told me the following line:
    Mother SAw Father Wearing THe TUrban, Son
    Mon Sat Fri Wed Thurs Tues Sun

    Similar mnemonics must be there in Kannada and Telugu also.

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  13. I have one:

    Vi Poo Thi
    Poo Noo l
    Thi l lai

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  14. Padmanabhan @ 9:49,

    Thanks I have corrected the main post

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  15. How is officer COM? Once I got bat for club. I had to extrapolate it to combat. Googling hasn't helped much

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  16. a.s.d,
    COM here I think has been used as an abbreviation for 'Commander' though in the Indian Navy the abbreviated form is 'Cdr'

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  17. 29A - Superficially sweetened (5,6) - SUGAR COATED [E]
    Sticklers for grammar may agree with me that there should have been a 'high fun' in between.

    3D - Tissue lost in surgery (6) - TONSIL*
    Besides being an anagram, won't it be &Lit too?

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  18. Com and Non-Com are commonly used short forms of Commissioned and Non-Commissioned Officers.

    Commissioned officers derive authority directly from the Queen or,in our case, the President. The commission they hold charges them with the duties and responsibilities of a specific office or position. Generally, Commissioned officers are the only persons, in a military environment, who can act as the commanding officer of a military unit.

    NCOs in positions of authority, on the other hand, have control or charge rather than command per se.

    [I wonder whether Sukiyaki is a pseudonym. It is a popular Japanese dish in the nabemono (Japanese hot pot) style.]

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  19. Chambers gives the following expansions for Com.

    Commander; Commissioner; Committee; Commodore; Commonwealth; Communist.

    As Col. Deepak has noted above, in the Indian Navy, Commander and Commodore have distinct abbrs.

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  20. I was struggling with C.O.(commanding officer) or Col.Did not get com.until I got the bat.

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  21. A nice enjoyable week as far as crossword solving is concerned thanks to Sankalak.

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  22. Will miss the first two days on NJ. All the best to Kishore, who may get an antidote for his 'miracle drug'

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  23. A theorem isn't quite a scientific statement as it is a mathematical or logical one. That's why one would one never come across a theorem in physics or chemistry, say, unless it is being adopted for some purpose from maths or it is a completely mathematical argument put forward for the first time to prove something in those subjects.

    Chaturvasi@08:53,
    I'm not so sure. For instance, listen to the way the word is being pronounced here, especially the AUR part. However, I don't deny the possibility of a pronunciation bias creeping in to the translator's voice.

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  24. Navneeth, You bring up an interesting aside on mathematics and whether it is a science in it's own right. There are/were some very bright minds that say it is probably the purest of pure sciences and there/were equally bright minds arguing otherwise as well. Here is an interesting blog link that talks about this very question in light of the scientific method :

    http://andrewlias.blogspot.com/2004/08/is-mathematics-science.html

    There are theorems in science as well - can think of Bell's Theorem in quantum mechanics but i am not smart enough to argue it's merits but I would think a major component may be math just as math history itself is intimately connected with the history of physics..

    Given all this, I think the setter may well regard Mathematics as a science and cannot be faulted for doing so. If Kishore is lurking, I am sure his commentary on this will be a whole lot more lucid than mine.

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  25. I had a call from Raju Umamaheshwar who is a follower of this blog, he seems to be unable to post comments here, I wonder how many more are unable to post.
    CV, how did you get over the problem?
    Raju also had mentioned a few days ago asking about the feasability of an S&B meet in Coimbatore.
    How many followers of this blog are there who are from Coimbatore other than Raju and Jayaram, please do let me know and we can think about it sometime later this year after giving sufficient notice.

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  26. Veer, I was not lurking for the past hour, hence the delay in responding.

    There is a basic difference between maths and science. Math starts with a conjecture which has to be rigorously proved by logic from basic axioms or already proven theorems,i.e.on an a priori method. For eg: Fermat's last theorem (wrongly called so) had to be considered a conjecture, till Andrew Wiles proved it. Then again, he had made a mistake. So finally it became a true theorem only when he changed his proof to include Galois groups.

    Similarly,the Goldbach conjecture is still a conjecture, though not even a single contradiction to it has been observed, because it has not been proved.Even a single contradiction is enough to demolish a conjecture. It is like Advaita ;-)

    But science goes by proving theories by experiments and results thereof, i.e. an a posteriori method. It sometimes uses dual theories to explain contradictory phenomenon:eg. particle vs wave for light.
    It also changes at microscopic levels eg:Newtonian gravity fails at quantum mechanics level, but it is still 'good enough' for our normal purposes. I have read of clockwise and anticlockwise spin of subatomic particles, but if you look at any spinning object from two different axial directions, it is clockwise from one and anticlockwise from another. The earth seen by someone floating over the North pole is spinning anticlockwise, while a person floating over the South pole will see it spin clockwise. It is Dwaita :)

    Disclaimer: The above is NOT a commentary on both the religious systems or the superiority of any one of them, only a device to draw parallels.

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  27. Continuing on SRV's Amity theme, today TOI had three answers starting with OUT:
    12a OUTWARD
    13a OUT OF DANGER
    16d OUTWIT

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  28. I stand by my 1928 notwithstanding that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle seems very much like Gödel's incompleteness theorems. ;-0

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  29. Copy of comments received from Raju Umamaheshwar

    I agree with C-sir that we are allowing our mnemonic faculties to atrophy by using modern technology. I have a humongous collection of crosswords solved by me,and unsolved, that are stacked away in ten cartons. I now pick up the unsolved ones and solve them at random at my leisure. This has had the value of only getting me in the Limca Book of records where I feature since 1992. Or else, I've told my wifey-dear, who is forever carping and chastising me for having collected 'so much garbage' to use them in place of firewood for my eventual funeral(after all recyclable organs have been removed) and thus save on fuel. That might also give me my place of glory in History. !!
    Let us use our grey cells and stretch them to the limit to get the answers with our the help of technology and use books and google search only to confirm our answers.
    If a compiler, barring (NJ) can create new crosswords bythe use of ingenuity, why can't we take up the challenge and solve unaided by technology?)
    Raju Umamaheswar

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  30. Nice thoughts, Raja.

    YIn lighter vein, ou are planning to take them with you ;-)

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  31. I too had this problem of not able to post for a few days. I missed inviting Colonel to the grandfather's club.My wife is also commenting that my pyre will be lit with my AF uniforms of 20 years old and the books I have accumulated.

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  32. Thanks, Deepakji and Chaturvasi-sir for your guidance comments. Shall have a go at them and see whether I succeed.

    Raju Umamaheswar

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