Sunday, 16 March 2014

Special, Sunday 16 Mar 2014, Troy


Welcome to our new setter Troy

 Three answers per commenter (with annotations) upto 6 PM.

ACROSS
9   Agony too excruciating to bear for jealous husband (7)
10   Wish to stop horse slaughter (7)
11 Cheer after billions thrive (7)
12 Players holding an ace in card game (7)
13 Controversial ground to back a stand (9)
15 Machine operated within these times (5)
16 Channel supported by state thug (7)
19 Water people drink is to rejuvenate (7)
20 Artificial wetlands around university (5)
21 Holy place of a religious head in Tuscany perhaps (9)
25 To learn new things in creativity, going west during fall (7)
26 Climber's support! (7)
28 Have to sustain (7)
29 Mixture of artists in Coen Brothers movie (7)

DOWN
1   Dreadful practice bird strangely followed (6)
2   Child singer's Polish, needs no introduction (6)
3   Colour that brings gloom! (4)
4   Socialise with a wanderer, not quite a person of wealth (6)
5   Dessert I yell loudly for (3,5)
6   Copy of a secret non-English printout (10)
7   Scott comes up with a handle for engine part (8)
8   Swimmer in the middle of Sea - stunning act in the deep; not the first (8)
14 An Islamic tradition fundamentally paranormal and supernatural (10)
16 Gold struck in African country's eastern city (8)
17 Just terrible - starter skipped (8)
18 Ban is about the drink (8)
22 Draw attention to crazy fit one's wearing. Bottoms up! (6)
23 Imaginary or a real incident? Basically confused (6)
24 Year's perfect, starting off with gold (6) 
27 Standard condition not included in brief (4)


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83 comments:

  1. Lakshmi Vaidyanathan16 March 2014 at 10:37

    21A Holy place of a religious head in Tuscany perhaps (9) SANCTUARY ( Anagram of A R TUSCANY )

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  2. Anonymous16 March 2014 at 10:38

    9a OTHELLO (TOO+HELL)* indirect anag
    10a CAR(NAG)E
    11a B URGE ON

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    1. Anonymous16 March 2014 at 10:39

      A hearty welcome to Troy!

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    2. Col_Gopinath16 March 2014 at 11:19

      It's not a reverse anagram, it' {OT{HELL}O*}

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    3. Anonymous16 March 2014 at 11:50

      Agree. I got it wrong ;-)

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  3. Ramani16 March 2014 at 10:39

    20 Artificial wetlands around university (5) BOG(U)S

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  4. Ramani16 March 2014 at 10:41

    5 Dessert I yell loudly for (3,5) ICE CREAM ~I SCREAM

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  5. Lakshmi Vaidyanathan16 March 2014 at 10:42

    3 D Colour that brings gloom! (4) BLUE (DD)

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  6. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 10:58

    Just back from a lecture on Muthuswamy Dikshitar.
    * * *
    My guess is that this setter is a person from abroad.
    If this turns out to be true, fine. If not, still fine!

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    1. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 11:30

      When is it NOT fine?!

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    2. mohsin16 March 2014 at 11:38

      16A has me thinking otherwise (not necessarily, of course).

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    3. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 12:04

      To answer Padmanabhan's question: when I am punished by making me pay some amount.

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    4. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 13:45

      :-) That's fine!

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  7. Ramani16 March 2014 at 11:09

    17 Just terrible - starter skipped (8) (F) RIGHTFUL

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  8. CA Prasad16 March 2014 at 11:12

    4.D. HOBNOB. {HOBo}{NOB]

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  9. CA Prasad16 March 2014 at 11:17

    1.D.MORBID. {MO=PRACTICE}{BIRD}*

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  10. CA Prasad16 March 2014 at 11:22

    13.A. DEBATABLE. {BED<}{A}{TABLE}

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  11. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 11:29

    12A- canasta
    card game- Def.
    Players- Cast
    Holding an- {c(sn)ast}
    Ace-A

    7D- Camshaft
    Engine part- Def.
    Scot- mac Come up- Reversal indicator
    handle- Shaft

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  12. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 11:36

    5D- Ice cream
    Dessert- Def.
    I- I
    Yell loudly- scream
    For (homonym indicator?

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    1. mohsin16 March 2014 at 11:39

      I think yell = scream, loudly = homophone indicator

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  13. mohsin16 March 2014 at 11:46

    1D: Dreadful practice bird strangely followed (6) --- (MO) (RBID)* . [ def = dreadful; "practice" = MO (modus operandi), followed by "bird strangely" = RBID* ]

    8D: Swimmer in the middle of Sea - stunning act in the deep; not the first (8) --- (-o)C (sEa TAC*) EAN. [ def = swimmer; "middle of sea" = E; "stunning act" = TAC*, inside "deep, not the first" = OCEAN - o ]

    16D: Gold struck in African country's eastern city (8) --- GAB(OR)ON E. [def = city; "gold" = OR, inside "African country" = GABON; "eastern" = E ]

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  14. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 11:47

    5D reminds me of 'I Scream, You Scream, We All Scream for Ice Cream' :)

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  15. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 11:50

    4D- Does 'nabob' (meaning a person of wealth) play a role here?

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    1. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 12:27

      HOBNOB may well find a place in Sowmya Ramkumar's crossword in BusinessLine.

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    2. Sowmya16 March 2014 at 15:43

      Does sound like that CV sir:)

      A warm welcome to Troy:)

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  16. mohsin16 March 2014 at 11:53

    Making up for 1D:

    6D: Copy of a secret non-English printout (10) --- TRANSCRIPT ( A SeCreT PRINT)* . [ def = copy; "a secret non-english print" = A SCRT PRINT; "out" = anagrind ]

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  17. Mukundala Balasubramanyam16 March 2014 at 12:14

    19 Water people drink is to rejuvenate (7) MOISTEN {M{OIST*}EN}

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  18. made in heaven16 March 2014 at 12:19

    14D. An Islamic tradition fundamentally paranormal and supernatural (10) TALISMANIC (AN ISLAMIC T)*
    20A. Artificial wetlands around university (5) BOGUS, BOGS with U
    18D. Ban is about the drink (8) ABSINTHE, (BAN IS)* THE

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  19. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 12:19

    16A Channel supported by state thug (7) GO{RILL}A
    14D An Islamic tradition fundamentally paranormal and supernatural (10) {(T)ALISMANIC*}
    18D Ban is about the drink (8) {ABSIN*}{THE}

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  20. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 12:20

    26 Climber's support! (7) TRELLIS (barely CD)
    22 Draw attention to crazy fit one's wearing. Bottoms up! (6) NOTIFY (rev telescopic)
    27 Standard condition not included in brief (4) E&OE (definitional)

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  21. made in heaven16 March 2014 at 12:23

    Posting one more since BOGUS has already been done ?
    15A. Machine operated within these times (5) CRANE {C(RAN)E}

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  22. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 12:23

    Deepak
    If my answer to 27dn is correct (I think it is), how did you accommodate the special character & in AcrossLite format?

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    1. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 13:39

      I am able to fill it in Acoss Lite with (Shift 7)
      But this is the first time I am coming across this type of grid fill. OK?

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  23. made in heaven16 March 2014 at 12:28

    An enjoyable grid all in all, thanks, a good mixture in the end !!

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  24. Mukundala Balasubramanyam16 March 2014 at 12:30

    28 Have to sustain (7) NOURISH (DD)

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  25. Vasant16 March 2014 at 12:42

    25A: RE(TRA<)IN

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  26. Unknown16 March 2014 at 13:52

    Hi, Thanks all for trying :)

    Looking at Vasant's anno, looks like there's an error in 25A. It doesn't add up and not sure what I was thinking. Sorry

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    1. Col_Gopinath16 March 2014 at 15:19

      Troy,

      You were thinking of reversal of ART in RAIN but forgot about the E and used A in RAIN as well as ART

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  27. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 13:55

    Lefover-
    Across- 29
    Down - 23,24

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    1. Anonymous16 March 2014 at 14:29

      Exactly the three I had pending !

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  28. Vasant16 March 2014 at 14:06

    Troy @1:52: I thought it was a good crossie & maybe the clue would be OK with a homphone indicator.

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  29. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 14:18

    In the light of the answer to 29a, my answer to 27d E&OE appears to fall, unless there is a mistake in gridfills or I am making one.

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  30. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 14:21

    Now, is my answer TRELLIS to 26a correct?

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  31. Venkatesh16 March 2014 at 14:33

    26 Climber's support! (7) Corr: TENDRIL (CD)
    29 Mixture // of artists / in Coen Brothers movie (7) {FAR(RA)GO}

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    24 Year's / perfect, starting off // with gold (6) {Y}{[-m]ELLOW}
    27 Standard condition not included in brief (4) NORM

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  32. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 14:41

    Compensating:
    2 Child singer's Polish, needs no introduction (6) {CHER}{(-r)UB}

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  33. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 14:49

    23d?

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  34. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 14:56

    2nd compensation:
    23 Imaginary or a real incident? Basically confused (6) AER(I)(A)L*
    Anagram of I + A + REAL
    I: Imaginary number

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    1. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 15:00

      Sorry - I: {I}ncident
      Imaginary : definition

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  35. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 14:57

    'Cher' for? I had also filled in cherub, but was not sure of anno.
    24D looks a stretch- Y for year, mellow for perfect, and yellow (as a colour) for Gold...

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    1. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 15:01

      Cher: is an American singer & actress

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher

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    2. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 15:06

      @Padmanabhan: MELLOW is a synonym for RIPENED: PERFECT
      I've come across Yellow for Gold in other crosswords.

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  36. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 15:04

    y for year is in Chambers. In forms, doesn't y (as in yy or yyyy) stand for year?
    In heraldry, yellow is gold.
    I agree that for 'mellow', 'perfect' is not a synonym that suggests itself quickly. But it is in Chambers thesaurus 'Mellow' as a verb, that is..

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  37. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 15:06

    Cher is an American singer. The reference is used in crosswords sometimes.
    I stand by my guess that the setter might be a non-Indian.

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  38. Raghunath16 March 2014 at 15:14

    I too was stuck with these three. Actually two but I did not connect mellow to pure. But is it acceptable in verb form here.
    Was also mislead by Scott, which I thought needed a single T in 7D
    Otherwise a very well written puzzle.

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    1. Raghunath16 March 2014 at 15:19

      Mellow: perfect in The free dictionary.com

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  39. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 15:17

    Thank you Cv & Sandhya. I stand corrected. Part of learning I suppose.

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  40. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 15:22

    Thank you Troy for a good CW & thank you Col.
    Enjoyed the discussion and analysis as much as the CW itself.

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  41. Col_Gopinath16 March 2014 at 15:34

    In 15A I didn't get how CE = these times?

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    1. Col_Gopinath16 March 2014 at 15:38

      Okay got it, CE for Christian Era or Common Era

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    2. SandhyaP16 March 2014 at 15:38

      CE: Christian Era / Common Era

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  42. Col_Gopinath16 March 2014 at 15:39

    Anno for27A shown by Venkatesh at 2:33 seems incomplete

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  43. Suresh16 March 2014 at 15:45

    Just about finished. Looks like everybody else has finished too. The bottom right took time

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  44. Padmanabhan16 March 2014 at 16:41

    Does 'Brief' act as a verb here to mean inform?

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  45. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 16:49

    Yes, of course.
    In surface reading 'brief' is noun. But as subsidiary indication to get 'inform' it does a switcheroo as verb.
    This is a common device in clues and many examples can be found in THC.
    Note that in the clue it is not preceded by 'a' or 'the' - in which case the word is stuck as a noun.

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  46. Raghunath16 March 2014 at 17:26

    Two ways of looking at these annos:

    10 Wish to stop horse slaughter (7) CAR(NAG)E
    It could also be interpreted as CARE inside NAG.

    16 Channel supported by state thug (7) GO(RILL)A.
    In another case it can mean: RILL GOA

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    1. raju umamaheswar16 March 2014 at 18:20

      Isn't GOROLLA a simin whereas, Guerilla , a thug? I'd lso be interested in knowing the actual pronunciation of both. GO as in go and RILLa whereas, guerilla is pronounced as gerilla? or gwerilla ?

      any way, here it is clued as a homophone?

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    2. Col_Gopinath16 March 2014 at 18:35

      Raju,
      It's not a homophonic clue

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    3. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 18:42

      RajuU,

      You're right! Gorilla is the animal, guerilla is the fighter.
      However, there is no problem in the clue, for 'gorilla' can also mean a heavily-built fellow, a 'thug'.

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    4. raju umamaheswar16 March 2014 at 19:59

      Thanks. I see your point. No comments on the pronunciation?

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  47. Chaturvasi16 March 2014 at 17:46

    You mean to say that the clues as written do not exactly suggest the operations - that in 10 NAG goes into CARE and in 16 GOA is outside RILL?
    What do others think?

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    1. Raghunath16 March 2014 at 18:22

      Meant there are two ways of looking at these Anno's. Similar to 'without'.

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    2. mohsin16 March 2014 at 18:46

      As long as one of the ways justifiably annotates the solution, I don't see the issue

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    3. Raghunath16 March 2014 at 22:00

      Does it sound as though there's an issue?

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  48. Sowmya16 March 2014 at 17:47

    If any of you are interested in checking the Brand crosswords that CV sir alluded to in his comment, online interactive version of the latest crossword is available at http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/features/brandline/crossword-8/article5784294.ece

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  49. Unknown16 March 2014 at 19:48

    Hi, thanks again to those who've solved this puzzle and have taken their time and given their feedback. Special thanks to those who'd liked this puzzle :) and sorry to those who thought the puzzle wasn't up to the mark. Hope you like my next effort, that is, whenever it appears.

    25A, RETRAIN was just plain bad and I got no excuse. I think Colonel's right about how I could have gotten it wrong. Should have been more attentive. And there's a typo in 7D. Raghunath's right. There's a T which should not be there in the first place. And sorry if there are any more errors.

    Very special thanks to Colonel, who's been kind enough to post this on his blog.

    Ciao!

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