The usual bag of good tricks from Neyartha in this measured puzzle.
ACROSS
1 Fair in the outskirts of the old city has a degree of warmth (11) TEMPERATURE (TEMPERATE outside UR)
9 Visual with current temperature at the wrong place (7) OPTICAL(I + T + PLACE)* E for O in anagram fodder? TOPICAL with T moving ahead See comments below
10 Significance of the pause in recital (6) WEIGHT (~WAIT)
11 Son’s serious about tempo (5) SPEED (S + DEEP<=)
12 Rang for engineer Ken to turn Dell around (7) KNELLED (KEN* + DELL<=)
15 Smart Nigerian leader usurps power to supply rations (4) NOSH (POSH with N for P)
16 Opera breaks brewer’s bow (3,7) WEB, BROWSER (BREWERS BOW)*
18 Interpretation of a disregard to the star spangled banner? (2-8) UN-AMERICAN (CD)
20 The windsail is worthless to the auditor (4) VANE (~VAIN)
23 The German’s back with a video of the bureaucratic procedure (3,4) RED, TAPE (DER<= + TAPE)
24 Call for ceasefire includes constraint (5) FORCE (T)
26 Size of coil model replaced by Bond’s boss (6) VOLUME (VOLUTE with M for T)
27 Expert studies can help one learn about rabbits initially (7) SCHOLAR (Acrostic)
28 Eternal divide bridged in an evening development (5-6) NEVER-ENDING (REND inside EVENING*)
DOWN
2 Revolutionary poem about South Carolina University gets old Portuguese money (6) ESCUDO (ODE<= outside S C U)
3 Remove the charm (4) PULL (DD)
4 Rainbow got at sea in a dinghy (6,4) ROWING, BOAT (RAINBOW GOT)*
5 Large number seen in note left on cooked tortellini (8) TRILLION (TORteLLINI)*
6 Fixes a shoe as the northbound man stumbles around (7) REHEELS (HE<= inside REELS) Probably there was no need to reverse HE?
7 Unanimity shown when Rio expelled the disguised connoisseurs (9) CONSENSUS (CONNoiSSEUrS)*
8 Worry and anguish after the princess abdicates (6) STRESS (diSTRESS)
13 Dome’s area put at the bottom by man in Michigan (10) HEMISPHERE (SPHERE after HE + MI)
14 Preserve to suspend boring (6-3) FREEZE-DRY (FREEZE + DRY)
17 Baby conceived outside the womb? (4-4) TEST-TUBE (CD) Does test-tube by itself convey baby?
19 Impressive for a Spanish honour to get respect outside (7) AWESOME (ES + OM inside AWE)
21 Ignore trademark military manoeuvre without really thinking (6) AIRILY (mILItARY)*
22 Heavily knitted woollen blanket for the countryman (6) AFGHAN (DD)
25 Soiled letters from a house detective (4) USED (T)
ACROSS
1 Fair in the outskirts of the old city has a degree of warmth (11) TEMPERATURE (TEMPERATE outside UR)
9 Visual with current temperature at the wrong place (7) OPTICAL
10 Significance of the pause in recital (6) WEIGHT (~WAIT)
11 Son’s serious about tempo (5) SPEED (S + DEEP<=)
12 Rang for engineer Ken to turn Dell around (7) KNELLED (KEN* + DELL<=)
15 Smart Nigerian leader usurps power to supply rations (4) NOSH (POSH with N for P)
16 Opera breaks brewer’s bow (3,7) WEB, BROWSER (BREWERS BOW)*
18 Interpretation of a disregard to the star spangled banner? (2-8) UN-AMERICAN (CD)
20 The windsail is worthless to the auditor (4) VANE (~VAIN)
23 The German’s back with a video of the bureaucratic procedure (3,4) RED, TAPE (DER<= + TAPE)
24 Call for ceasefire includes constraint (5) FORCE (T)
26 Size of coil model replaced by Bond’s boss (6) VOLUME (VOLUTE with M for T)
27 Expert studies can help one learn about rabbits initially (7) SCHOLAR (Acrostic)
28 Eternal divide bridged in an evening development (5-6) NEVER-ENDING (REND inside EVENING*)
DOWN
2 Revolutionary poem about South Carolina University gets old Portuguese money (6) ESCUDO (ODE<= outside S C U)
3 Remove the charm (4) PULL (DD)
4 Rainbow got at sea in a dinghy (6,4) ROWING, BOAT (RAINBOW GOT)*
5 Large number seen in note left on cooked tortellini (8) TRILLION (TOR
6 Fixes a shoe as the northbound man stumbles around (7) REHEELS (HE<= inside REELS) Probably there was no need to reverse HE?
7 Unanimity shown when Rio expelled the disguised connoisseurs (9) CONSENSUS (CONN
8 Worry and anguish after the princess abdicates (6) STRESS (
13 Dome’s area put at the bottom by man in Michigan (10) HEMISPHERE (SPHERE after HE + MI)
14 Preserve to suspend boring (6-3) FREEZE-DRY (FREEZE + DRY)
17 Baby conceived outside the womb? (4-4) TEST-TUBE (CD) Does test-tube by itself convey baby?
19 Impressive for a Spanish honour to get respect outside (7) AWESOME (ES + OM inside AWE)
21 Ignore trademark military manoeuvre without really thinking (6) AIRILY (
22 Heavily knitted woollen blanket for the countryman (6) AFGHAN (DD)
25 Soiled letters from a house detective (4) USED (T)
9 Visual with current temperature at the wrong place (7) OPTICAL (I + T + PLACE)* E for O in anagram fodder?
ReplyDeletecurrent=TOPICAL
Temperature=t in wrong place
(-T)OP(+T)ICAL
My take on 9A - (-T)OP(+T)ICAL
ReplyDeleteThanks, should have known Neyartha doesn't make mistakes like I thought.
ReplyDelete17D Baby conceived outside the womb? (4-4) TEST-TUBE (CD) Does test-tube by itself convey baby?
ReplyDeleteSince there is a hyphen there, it conveys the adjective sense. Nevertheless, 'the kind of baby' would have sounded more convincing, leading to a straight giveaway, though.
A test-tube baby that is a giveaway ? Why did the parent have it in the first place ?
DeleteA typical sample of Kishu's all-pervading sense of humour! Nothing can escape...
DeleteLoved the red tape, Bhavan !
ReplyDeletePlease see the latest post at Crossword Unclued (link to it is at sidebar on the left).
ReplyDeleteI think THC setters have used NAIR for Keralite. SEN for Bengalis. They are all right, aren't they?
Any suggestions for other readily recognisable names from the same or other sections of Indian society? (Each of them should be of 4 letters OR LESS.)
PLEASE AVOID OFFENSIVE TERMS.
Only acceptable, real names expected.
GILL from Punjab
DeleteBHAT from Gujarat
IYER from Tamilnadu
KAUL from J&K
KHAN
JAIN
I'm sure there must be many more
The Gujarati Bhatt would be a teetotaller with two Ts and not one. The Bhats from other states, including Karnataka are satisfied with a single tea. The Kashmiri one, however, prefers the spelling BUTT, as in the case of a rifle butt.
DeleteI have heard my Maharashtrian friends use the term GHAT for themselves. A national English magazine had, more than a decade ago, run a feature on Maharashtrian Bollywood heroines. It screamed, 'Gorgeous Ghatans'. (Ghatan is the feminine form.) Most prominent among them were Madhuri Dixit, Sonali Bendre and Urmila Matondkar. A large number of them were left out since they were BONGS (Bengalis). Aishwarya Rai, Shilpa Shetty and a few others also were excepted since they are Mangaloreans.
DeleteCan a Bangalorean be called a BANG? :-)
Alas, we have all these categories aplenty, with a very few Indians left...
There are ifs and buts over what I have just said, but but me no buts. :-)
DeleteGOEL,
DeleteSOZ,
BRAR,this must be exciting
NAIK,
PAI,
VIJ
RANA, KAUR, OJHA, VIRK and many more.
DeleteIt should be easy to add Asan also.
Kaur would probably not qualify as it is not really a surname. But Virk reminded of Komilla :-)
DeleteNot the butt of jokes I presume!
ReplyDeleteShah's of Gujarat are quite popular too. I have heard that US were reluctant at one stage to give them visas, since they tended to not only settle down there but also start their own business soon!
ReplyDeleteSome of my friends from Gujarat call themselves Sah. I can remember Mukes, Kisore and a few others...
DeleteYes-sah
DeletePlease check and complete where needed
ReplyDeleteGILL - Punjabi
BHAT - Gujarati
IYER - Tamilian
KAUL - Kashmiri
KHAN -
JAIN -
GOEL - Punjabi
SOZ - Kashmiri
BRAR - Kashmiri
NAIK - Maharashtrian
PAI - Mangalorean
VIJ -
SHAH - Gujarati
GHAT - Maharashtrian
Can some names overlap to people from other regions? That may not matter so long as we associate a name predominantly with a particular region.
Any name from A & N, Col Deepak? !
Brar is Punjabi, I think,as in Gen. Kuldip Singh Brar. Vij is also Punjabi, as in Rama Vij, actress and rally driver (but I am not so sure of Gen. N C Vij, ex army chief)
DeleteA&N does not have any names specific to the area as the local tribals language is not known to anyone and no contacts are allowed with them. Otherwise all those settled there are mostly from TN, WB and AP. So no names peculiar to A&N.
DeleteBRAR is not Kashmiri
DeleteKashmiris are DAR(Muslim) and DHAR(Pundit), BHAT can also be Kashmiri
Fishing in the above waters we have RAI too. can also add RAO/RAU and RAUT.
DeleteWhen we setters try to use any of the above suggestions, we might find that they rarely allow us to use them as strings.
ReplyDeleteKishore, your note after BRAR is redundant because we are not trying to write a clue for BRAR but are trying to use it as a component in wordplay. Check yourself, man.
BRAR and most others suggested above may not appear as a string in any English word/phrase for a setter to make use of them (unlike a MINA in MINATORY or a GITA in AGITATE).
GITA and AGITATE? Over to Deepak and Kishore...
DeleteCV too.
DeleteHe was included since he brought it up.
DeleteWell, some patient searches may be needed before we give up!
ReplyDeleteLIBRARY / LIBRARIAN
NEOBRARA
VERTEBRARIUM
Thanks, Kishore and Deepak.
ReplyDeleteKishore, may I ask you to please correct and update the above list. TIA.
Updated and down-pasted:
ReplyDeleteGILL - Punjabi
BHAT - Gujarati
IYER - Tamilian
KAUL - Kashmiri
KHAN -
JAIN -
GOEL - Punjabi
SOZ - Kashmiri
BRAR - Punjabi
NAIK - Maharashtrian
PAI - Mangalorean
VIJ -Punjabi
SHAH - Gujarati
GHAT - Maharashtrian
RANA - Rajput,Nepali
KAUR - Punjabi lady
OJHA - Bihar,UP,Bengal
VIRK - Punjabi
DAR - Kashmiri
DHAR - Kashmiri
BUTT - Kashmiri
RAO/RAU - AP, Karnataka
RAI - when rhyming with Pi, Bunt
RAI - when pronounced raaai, UP
A few more
RANE - Maharashtrian
REGO - Goan
PAIS - Mangalorean
ROY - Bengali
JHA - Bihari
RAJU - AP
DeleteDORBALA - AP
DeleteSAHU - Bihar
DeleteGARG
DeleteBEHL
I don't know from which state.
1 Fair in the outskirts of the old city has a degree of warmth (11) TEMPERATURE (TEMPERATE outside UR) : Is it fair?
ReplyDeleteRE: GHAT or Ghati. I think a Maharashtrian would not like be called so, as it also means a bumpkin or a crude person. Some names though not common are definitely Maharashtrian: LELE, NENE, WAGH, GORE, KALE and the most infamous of them all Godse.
Could have been 'Fair on the outskirts.....'
DeleteYes, Raghu, I agree that Ghat is used in derogatory sense in most occasions and may please be avoided.
DeleteBut model Mugdha Godse proudly flaunts her family name.
Nene made me recall this episode. Madhuri Dixit is married to Dr Shriram Nene. At a reality show, Javed Jaffrey of Boogie Woogie fame and son of senior Hindi comedian Jagdeep, had asked a small dancer as to who Madhuri Dixit was married to. She replied correctly. But she could not answer the next question on India's president.
He told her, "Aap Madhuri-ji ke pati ko jaante hain, lekin Rashtrapati ko nahin jaante hain..." (You know Madhuri's pati but not Rashtrapati.)
Which means Presidents have to participate in reality shows?
DeleteGhati is also used in Goan Konkani to refer to a 'villager' in a derogatory sense.
DeleteThere are BHAT's in Kashmir also
ReplyDeleteCould have been 'Fair on the outskirts.....'
ReplyDeleteWould still lead to TEMPERATE UR. Maybe Fair around the out... But that would be meaningless.
At least one entry from that list has already been used by Gridman:
ReplyDelete2 Loud and rough, the Karnataka man gave company to you and me (7)
That was in THC 8301 (Gridman's 257) published on Tue, May 24, 2005.
Raucous
ReplyDeleteTalking of the use of names in crossword clues, today's Independent crossword has the following clue.
ReplyDelete16 Old Shankar buried in Massachusetts region (7)
I think this clue is in bad taste. Do you agree? If not, why not?
I don't think the clue is in bad taste. Old Shankar is used to arrive at "Ravi." The connection with the great sitarist ends pretty much there. And I don't think anybody would take offense to it. If the whole clue is considered for review, it could be argued to mean anybody with the name Shankar buried in Massachusetts region. And there ain't nothing bad going on there IMO.
DeleteStrictly speaking, only Shankar is used to derive RAVI. Old gives O, another component in word breakup.
DeleteOpinions can differ about the quality of clues.
VJ, I don't think it can refer to any Shankar, because Ravi need not necessarily be mapped to Shankar or vice versa. For eg, Ravi Kiran or Uday Shankar. If Shankar has to lead to Ravi there has to be some reference to he sitarist or spiritual leader. This one to one corelation between Ravi and Shankar may be due to the fact that the setter and his usual audience know only of Ravi Shankar. If a clue used Ravi in India without any further information, we would think of Vyalar, Shastri, Kiran, etc, but when Ms West is used we think only of Mae since we usually don't know any other
DeleteYou have a very valid point there- absolutely.
ReplyDeleteA post on today's puzzle: slightly off-topic, I know. ;-)
ReplyDeleteAnd if you include OPTICAL, PULL and STRESS, you have words out of the first year (or perhaps, first two) of a course in physics.
VOLUME. WEIGHT - these also seem to be terms from physics.
Delete(I did one year of B.Sc. physics course - in Vivekananda - before I abandoned it and took up B.A. Eng. Lit. in Loyola and later M.A. in MCC)
Coming in late. Here are some Indian surnames that could fit in easily in clues:
ReplyDeleteApte - adAPTEd, chAPTEr
Aron - bARON. macARONi
Bedi - oBEDIent, suBEDItor
Chet - arCHEType, croCHET
Dama - aDAMAntine, DAMAsk, DAMAge
Das - DASh, anaconDAS, armaDAS
Deol - iDEOLology, viDEOLand
Deva - DEVAluate, DEVAstate
Dua - DUAl, deciDUAl, graDUAte
Gade - briGADE,reneGADE
Gore - clanGOREd
Nagi - maNAGIng
Pai - PAInting PAId PAInful
Pal - municiPAL, PALadin, oPALesce, PALatable
Puri - PURIfy, sPURIous
Rana - gRANAry, intRANAsal, pomegRANAte, puRANAs
Ray - disarRAY, foRAY, portRAY, stingRAY,
Roy -viceROY, destROY,ROYal,corduROY
Suri - asSURIng, cenSURIng, treaSURIes
Vasi - eVASIve, inVASIve,
Venu - parVENU, VENUe
It is easy to clue them in by their place name as Mangalorean (PAI), by profession as Sunny actor (DEOL) or old Indian cricketer (BEDI) or as popular usage as Indian god (DEVA)
I thank all contributors for their wonderful inputs for the name list. Will tuck it away somewhere and resort to it if needed.
DeleteI used to win prizes in Nairobi for my crossies using disguised names such as R.A.JUMA, JiyaraRAJUme and RAJ U-mayankh-- my son's name etc. They used to grant three for one night for two at the game reserves. Hat tricks played well, eh?
ReplyDelete