Friday, 10 October 2014

No.11211, Friday 10 Oct 2014, Afterdark

This Superb Treat Shows That Setter Thirumalaiswami Shrikanth Takes Special Themes Seriously


Across
1 Note bent bones (6) TIBIAS (TI BIAS)
4 Circle around Spain in vehicles (6) TRIKES (SKIRT< around España)
9 Sources of the Ebola disease slowly spreads (4) TEDS (acrostic) The surface seems to have a grammar issue
10 Organise, sell tour by a vehicle (10) TROLLEYBUS (SELL TOUR BY)*
11 High tension hitting the ball out in the game (6) TENNIS (TENSIoN)*
12 Abstainers in exotic resort raise horses (8) TROTTERS (TT in RESORT*)
13 Go around the corner, organise special beef cuts (9) TOURNEDOS (TOUR NE DO S)
15 Escaped criminal's profiles found during inspections (5) TOURS (conTOURS)
16 Call girls for pastries (5) TARTS (2)
18 Ate at intervals (3,6) TEA BREAKS (rev anag of ATE*)
22 Gets more complicated when porous checkpoints loses cop (8) THICKENS (CHECKPOINTS - COP)* Deleted letters are not in the same order
23 Measure a large Scotch first for the counts (6) TOTALS (TOT A L S)
25 Guards behind odd looking stranger to find the breach (10) TRANSGRESS (SS behind STRANGER*)
26 Relationships that is inside the society (4) TIES (IE in T S)
27 Article IRS takes belongs to them (6) THEIRS (THE IRS) Strictly 'belongs to them'= 'ís theirs'
28 Darling, come back, take oriental drug and have first of sessions in the tents (6) TEPEES (PET< E E S)

Down
1 In addition to the Royal Engineers, get tax officer... (7) THERETO (THE RE TO) Is the defn. ok?
2 ...bisexual boy to find animal (5) BISON (BI SON)
3 AGM expelled new magistrate for being a comedian (7) ARTISTE (MAGISTRATE - AGM)* as in 22a
5 Have taken out hapless lovelorn woman's garment (4-2) ROLL-ON (LOVELORN - 'VE)*
6 Say, escape action in a single press of computer button (9) KEYSTROKE (KEY STROKE)
7 Conservative rule is more just (7) SQUARER (SQUARE R)
8 Almost restrict jingles about setter's debates (13) CONTROVERSIES (CONTROL VERSES around I)
14 Restraint to erect nice building (9) RETICENCE (ERECT NICE)*
17 Is very eager to get a new T Shirt (7) ATHIRST (A TSHIRT*)
19 Say, Bradman's first English fabric (7) BATISTE (BAT IST E)
20 King sick about queen's assassins (7) KILLERS (K ILL ER'S)
21 Angled Geryi Piranha in a weighted line (6) LEDGER (T)
24 Position bird at Lake Elizabeth (5) TITLE (TIT L E)

GRID

71 comments:

  1. (from yesterday)
    I set a CWE for JIGARTHANDA.
    Following were entered yesterday:
    Subbaraj's latest – a grand hit released on the 1st of August (11)

    Col and Raju to tell me if theirs were entries to the CWE. Any omissions in this list may be notified to me.

    CWE is open till Sat midnight IST. Entries in any latest day's Comment section

    Comments and the most favourite pick in the Comments section under the Sun post.

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    1. Sorry - don't know how my list above is incomplete. Will post the list afresh.

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    2. The list (Col's will be added later)
      JIGARTHANDA

      Drink a Taj hard gin coctail (11) (KMR)
      Judge presided crazy night including one artist and lawyer for a drink (11) (AD)
      Jack had Granita, refreshing drink (11) (VJ)
      Dating Rajah went wrong to Jil Jil beverage (11) (CGB)
      Indian Sir in courtyard with a drink (11) (PBP)
      Jack's not against hard cocktail drink from Madurai (11) (AVM)
      Jig had an art for getting a Madurai special (11) (PP)
      North Indian cools his heart with this in Madurai (11) (SD)
      Refresher of dance technique exhibited by Chinese prosecutor (11) (RJ)
      Dance with skill to get applause and a drink (11) (RP)
      Subbaraj's latest – a grand hit released on the 1st of August (11) (M)

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    3. There was one more of CGB , I think.

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  2. As a theme, all Across entries starting with a particular letter and ending with a particular letter is great and may be acclaimed.
    However -
    In crossword setting, the convention in gridfilling is that words ending in S (verb inflected or noun pluralised) must not be overdone as the letter termination is a giveaway.
    I forget what the minimum is, but what do you as solvers think it could be in say 30 solutions words?

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    1. Personally I find nothing wrong in that

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    2. Taking 3 consecutive clues:
      4 Circle around Spain in vehicles (6) TRIKES (SKIRT< around España)
      9 Sources of the Ebola disease slowly spreads (4) TEDS (acrostic) The surface seems to have a grammar issue
      10 Organise, sell tour by a vehicle (10) TROLLEYBUS (SELL TOUR BY)*

      we have 4 a plural, 9 a verb and 10 a non-plural noun. I personally feel nothing wrong with the 9 and 10. Glut of plurals, may, however, be avoided.

      Another thing we need to keep in mind is that the theme is T*S, so that is unavoidable here. Further, due to this theme, the first and last columns are exclusively Ts and Ss

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    3. Not sure about convention, but it does hint that word is a plural.

      OT. I'm not a fan of themed puzzles, where the focus is lost on clue construction, surface etc. I'm not referring to this cw but in general. I'd rather attempt an error puzzle, which I'm still striving to achieve.

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    4. Q to CV for benefit of setters:

      Would TH be willing to take up 'error' or 'letter switch puzzles' like the CC or GG ?

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    5. No, I don't think so.
      By 'error' I think you mean letter misprint.
      There is no room for such specialist puzzles in TH.
      The Col's Sun spl slot may be used for those off-beat, occasional puzzles.
      I have taken part in CWCs where such specified clue-types needed to be entered.

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    6. Yes, misprint is one type of it.

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    7. I think that could be attempted for a much smaller group, say like THCC.

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  3. As a crossword is the food for us cruciverbalists
    Give us excess

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  4. 4A has around on double duty.
    Raise in 12A is misleading

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    1. 4 Circle around Spain in vehicles (6) TRIKES

      Can we take Spain in as there is an 'in' to indicate that?

      +1 re 12A

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    2. I felt in an Across clue, raise can't be taken as a reversal indicator.

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    3. But there is no reversal in 12A

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    4. Actually, the raise made me think of stud farmers/ horse breeders etc., though enu won't permit those words

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    5. That is what I meant .. Since it was an Across clue , the word raise would not be misconstrued as an indicator and hence not be misleading. So it was permissible to use.

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    6. It's there for surface, but it's definitely misleading

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    7. The wordplay brings up the answer. Raise in that context.

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  5. 28a Just wondering what intent act happened under cover.

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  6. 22 Gets more complicated when porous checkpoints loses cop (8) THICKENS
    26 Relationships that is inside the society (4) TIES

    Shouldn't the clues have LOSE and ARE instead of LOSES and IS?

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    1. +1. Sandhya seems more involved today? :)

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    2. Yes.. With TEDS , there are 3 grammatical errors and counting...

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    3. But why T...S? Is it a special occasion?

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    4. Well, it is The Second by Thirumalaiswami Shrikanth ... so played around

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    5. i.e. TS now has Two Submission of puzzles in a cycle

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  7. Great effort Afterdark... Lot of work must have gone into creating the grid and grid fills. Kudos!

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  8. 21 Angled Geryi Piranha in a weighted line (6) LEDGER (T)

    Is an ind for hidden missing.

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  9. Just looked into yesterday's late night comments... Mohsin's &lit for the word JIGARTHANDA is very nice. Not sure if the indicator "latest" has any effect on the position, but a brilliant effort nonetheless.

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    1. I think that could changed to:

      At last, Subbaraj released a grand hit on the 1st of August

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    2. But that's wouldn't make it an &lit

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    3. Why not?

      It's J +A GRAND HIT* + A

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    4. It's just a sentence . The whole clue is not definition for Jigarthanda.

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    5. How's it different from 'latest', though latest does not work here?

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    6. Subbaraj's latest – a grand hit released on the 1st of August (11

      The above is definition for Jigarthanda even though we are not sure of latest as letter picking ind . But your clue is a statement about Jigarthanda not a definition

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    7. Subbaraj's latest movie ie Jigarthanda

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    8. I see. Not familiar with the 'movie' nor knew who Subbaraj was till I saw Mohsin's clue.

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    9. So you were replying without knowing movie? :-D it's a nice movie of Lakshmi Menon

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    10. I meant not knowing it was the 'latest', and also I didn't know about the movie & Subbaraj till I saw the link placed below the clue.

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    11. +1 for VJ's comment. Excellent clue

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    12. +1 for VJ's comment. Excellent clue

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    13. That was more like +2 including the proxy ;)

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  10. Please note that my mention of the convention of -S words being limited in grid fills was general in the context of today's CWD.
    That was obvious in the first sentence.
    The convention is mentioned in CWD manuals.

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  11. AVM. This crossie is not by AD. It is by TS ;-)

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    1. Yeah ;-) but annekku njan yaare paathen. AD or TS ? Ok leave it

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  12. Write a clue for JIGARTHANDA:

    Drink had rating problem in Jamaica (11)

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  13. Braced up and waiting for HUD HUD

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  14. Guardian crossword editor's comment given below on the use of IC for 99, which has figured frequently in the blog may be of interest to bloggers.

    Boatman's Cyptic puzzle of 19 September (No 26,369) contained a clue (27 across) which read: 'Little chap, separated from master wizard, about 99, with his staff (5,4)', which required 99 to be IC in Roman numerals in order to make MAGIC WAND [where 'little chap' = ALF, MA = Master of Arts, the wizard is GANDALF and W = 'with', producing MA/G(IC/W)AND(alf). Richard W. protested, having had a proper grounding in Latin at school, that the correct way to write 99 is XCIX, not IC. He was generous enough to say that, perhaps, by now IC is an established crossword convention and that there aren't any real Romans around to argue. This issue has come up before and, obviously, neither Julius nor any other of the Caesars would have had the least idea what IC was supposed to mean. But my memory is of some authority on post-classical, medieval and other dog god Latin with evidence that, for many hundreds of years, IC and the like were used pretty extensively, presumably to save space. However, if I found such an authority then, I cannot immediately find it now and so fall back on Australian support for the use of IC in Cryptic puzzles. www.highlightpress.com.au provides me with the following:
    'Sometimes cryptic clues break the conventional use of Roman numerals. Examples: 49 = IL, 99 = IC, 499 = ID , 999 = IM.'

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  15. Very late to spot! Kishore had highlighted "TS"(for Thirumalaiswami Shrikanth) not only in the toon but also in the preamble six times!! Nice work, Kishore. :)

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  16. JIGARTHANDA : G sounds respectful as a prefix to this comic strip character along with a cooling of the heart when you drink this.

    CV: IN reply to your unusual query: Yes indeed, the above posted yesterday late night, is my entry for the cluing competition. You've so easily and patently disqualified me by your query?

    So AD has Turned inTo TS? ThaT's greaT !! Mistaking The Trees for The woods?

    I'd rather dub him as a Take-away Trickster !! If ye-all have noticed, there are very many Take aways in his cluing Technique !! Today's Theme is suits me To a T !!

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  17. Could get time to solve the puzzle only now. Just loved it. Great xword!

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