Where are the Friends and countrymen? ;-) No samosa for me today as I'm stumped for some annos :-(
ACROSS
1 Bulge out for short time before being unpleasant (8) PROTRUDE {PRO}{T}{RUDE}
5 Girl is mad about Germany’s un-powered aircraft (6) GLIDER {GLI{DE}R*}
10 Alien's principle (5) TENET {TEN}{ET} Clue number on double duty!
11 Animals like horses and donkeys consume bovine creature when days and nights are equal (9) EQUINOXES {EQUIN{OX}ES}
12 Documents father has for every son (6) PAPER {PA}{PER}{S}
13 Dr. House's internist (8) THIRTEEN
15 Tiara smashed into an Indian dish (5) RAITA*
17 Sailor and soldiers consumed (ate) before initial temperature reduction (9) ABATEMENT {B}{TE}{MEN}{T}
19 Eat too much fodder from land on great Arizona estate initially (9) OVERGRAZE OVER{GR}{AZ}{E
20 Look up data about leaders of first European republics (5) REFER {RE}{F}{E}{R}
21 Ancient jurisprudence is surprisingly normal with a woman ... (5,3) ROMAN LAW {ROMAN L*}{A}{W}
23 ... brothel keeper taking posh car for doctor's weed (6) MARRAM MA(-d+rr)RRAM
27 Unite a prisoner with prison and brew tea (9) CONJUGATE {CON}{JUG}{TEA*}
28 Cricket side, Edward, is murdered in America (5)
29 South African Minister of State had a fried Indian snack (6) SAMOSA {SA}{MOS}{A} ... and so will many others today!
30 Gamble, without a note, and with hesitation, for an instrument (8) SPECULUM {SPECUL
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1 Raised a little dog in Chandigarh, say. Quite the contrary! (3,2) PUT UP {P{UT} UP}
2 Wine-lover remodelled pigeonhole after first glass was dropped (9) OENOPHILE PI
3 Rotating part model with a ball on each side is held by bishop (5) ROTOR {R{O}{T}{O}R}
4 Deleted — deleted initial half of letter in document (4) DEED DE
6 Mad Pitman left un-parliamentary composition for some time (5,4) LUNAR YEAR UN-
7 Pass away around 9 in the southern United States (5) DIXIE {D{IX}IE}
8 Roman senator is confused after man leaves wave generator (9) RESONATOR {RO
9 Super heat mixture in Middle Eastern river (9) EUPHRATES*
14 Man, a lay lama, adapted a South Indian language (9) MALAYALAM {M+A+LAY+LAMA}*
15 RAF crooks design luggage carriers (4,5) ROOF RACKS*
16 Jason's fleet mates say, “Northern Australia” in many languages (9) ARGONAUTS
18 Spill fuel around first stronghold. That is strenuous (9) EFFORTFUL {E{F}{FORT}FUL*} 'F' for first?
22 Roman money for short skirt held up by male (5) MINIM {MINI}{M} or is it {M}{INIM<=}
24 A zoo in-charge throws out an egg — it is lifeless (5) AZOIC {A}{ZO
25 Lady Lovelace is in the custody of two Frenchmen, milady (5) MADAM {M}{ADA}{M} I'm Adam!
26 Look both ways (4) PEEP <=>
GRID
19 Eat too much fodder from land on great Arizona estate initially (9) OVERGRAZE OVER{GR}{AZ}{Estate} Anno for 'OVER' not clear
ReplyDeleteOVER = ON
17 Sailor and soldiers consumed (ate) before initial temperature reduction (9) ABATEMENT {B}{TE}{MEN}{T} Was there a necessity to clarify 'consumed'?
ReplyDeleteOtherwise how does 'ate' come in between AB & MEN?
Before ?
DeleteBefore is needed for surface.
DeletePosition indicator.
DeleteCV has it
DeleteBut then why consumed?
DeleteWhat's this?
DeleteConsumed is c/c ind. ATE is the content.
Then what's 'before' if not for surface?
DeleteAB(ATE)MEN || T
Deletebefore............
In my post at 835 I'd said that consumed was c/c ind. Then what's before for? Do you mean it should be placed between AB (ATE) and MEN and not anywhere in ABMEN? If so it's not needed and if not I've woken up from the wrong side of my bed today.
DeleteI was endorsing the blogger's query ... If before is a position indicator , as I took it to be, then consumed need not have been clarified further. If consumed c/c ind then, before as Raghu says is only for surface..
DeleteSailor = AB
Deleteand
soldiers = MEN
consumed = Inserticator
(ate) = ATE
before = Position indicator
initial temperature = T
reduction = {AB}{ATE}{MEN}{T}
If there is an inserticator why do you need a position ind? It indicates position of which word?
DeleteLemme put it in words:
DeleteSailor (AB) and soliders (MEN) consumed (insertion indicator) ATE (inserted matter) = AB(ATE)MEN
(all of which is placed) before
initial temperature (T)
OK I am not arguing, but more for clarification. If an inserticator is provided, what is the need for a position indicator. Insert always is in between when only two components are there , in this case AB & MEN ? If there are more components, it would have been needed.
DeleteKishore,
DeleteYou would need 'before' in case T was leading AB ATE MEN. However the sequence of words is such that you don't need an indicator apart from surface reading duty
The usage is similar to use of 'by' in many clues to signify 'next to' in a charade. Not absolutely necessary, but still used for surface reading and as a positioning indicator in the cryptic reading.
DeleteShri, the position indicator is not for the insertion. It is for placing the post-insertion text in front of the T
You're the setter and your word is final!
DeleteAnd hope there's an "abatement" in the no. of comments on this clue:)
DeleteOK ,now I get it .. With so many palindromes today I should have looked either way :)
DeleteThe anno was "ullangai nellikkani" (I.e, if you have a gooseberry in your cupped palm, it's so patent, so clear, so palpable...).
DeleteI am amazed it required so much clarification - that too in this forum.
I still don't agree with you.
DeleteRaghunath, "before" in this clue may not be absolutely necessary, but it's not doing the clue no harm either. Without "before" surface may suffer, so the setter has used the word as a positional indicator, though redundant. It's all right as I see it.
DeleteTake this clue from one of the recent FT crosswords...
Time to request team’s changed before manager finally becomes a slave driver (10) T ASK MASTE* R
Again, in the above clue, "before" is not absolutely necessary, yet it's used as the surface needed it and additionally, it serves as an appropriate positional indicator. So no problem again
IMO it's for surface only. In both the clues if you remove 'before' it does not make sense. The sequence of words renders it redundant otherwise
DeleteYes, it's for surface - additionally, a redundant positional indicator. Anywho, with or without it, clue works. So no problem.
DeleteCan anyone explain (17-A), why additional 'ate' in bracket, when 'consumed' also means the?
Delete19A - on = over ?
ReplyDelete16 Jason's fleet mates say, “Northern Australia” in many languages (9) ARGO{N}{AU}TS
ReplyDeleteArgots: Languages
23 ... brothel keeper taking posh car for doctor's weed (6) MARRAM MA(-d+rr)RRAM
ReplyDeleteD= DR?
D.Litt. ,
DeletePhD
JD
LLD
MD
not &lit :-)
I feel it's not fair to use part of a valid abbreviate and treat it as whole. If we thought it was okay, then N would be NATIONS (as in UN), D could be DIRECT (as in FDI), T may be TREATY (as in NATO) and so on...
DeletePoint taken, VJ
DeleteThat's what I had asked at 9.03.
DeleteCricket side, Edward, is murdered in America (5) {OFF}{ED}
ReplyDeleteMeaning: murdered in American parlance.
15 Tiara smashed into an Indian dish (5) RAITA*
ReplyDeleteAt first I thought he surface reading was implausible. But a moment's thought enlightened me. Dish has the sense of 'food' as def but 'utensil' in surface reading. A tiara, by some smashing, might be transformed into an implement for some other purpose.
Crossword setters have a weird mind. (Maybe solvers too?)
+1
DeleteI took it as a girl by name Tiara collided with a dish
DeleteAs long as you did not think an Indian dish also referred to a girl
DeleteCV, Like swords into ploughshares
Delete"A girl"- (A Rita)*
DeleteToo many girls in this clue ! ;-) But,honestly, can there really be too many ?!
DeleteCome on, Incognito. So much story-building shouldn't be required of the solver to make sense of a clue's surface :-) The palindrome theme is nicely done, but RAITA jamaa nahin.
DeleteBangalore main bahut barsaat hai. Main paani paani ho gaya
DeleteWell even I thought the surface was weird... Tiara smashed into food? LOL Hard to wonder how such a situation may arise..
DeleteAt the banquet, the queen discovered that the tiara was not gold, it was just gold plated. She threw it. The Tiara smashed into an Indian dish.
DeleteSmashed is not only broken into pieces, it is also hit with great force. As in:
The plane smashed into the mountainside.
This sounds like some scene from Laurel & Hardy
DeleteTiara may be smashed into 'dish' (raita). But can raita be re-prepared as TIARA?
ReplyDeleteA one way transmutation ...
DeleteA crossword setter's dictionary
ReplyDeleteIf you look both ways, you PEEP.
If he looks both ways, he SEES.
18 Spill fuel around first stronghold. That is strenuous (9) EFFORTFUL {E{F}{FORT}FUL*} 'F' for first?
ReplyDeleteAs in first floor FF, first class FC
So can we take C= Class and F= Floor?
DeleteIt is common usage.
DeleteNice one & a pangram too
ReplyDeleteThere's more to 13
ReplyDeleteI took it as a dd
DeleteYes, with clue number ...
Delete13 comes in 13A!
DeleteAnything to do with 12 houses of Zodiac?
In 10, the clue number provides part of the charade, whereas here it provides a defn
DeleteTheme?
ReplyDeleteRun around- I mean Palindrome!
ReplyDeleteSharp eyed Padmanabhan!
DeleteYou are correct, Paddy.
DeleteI thought DG had got it, especially with his comment "Madam I'm Adam" which itself is a palindrome. I think CV was hinting this at 851 when he gave the illustration of PEEP and SEES
Oh my!
DeleteVery clever.
But how many swine pick up these pearls?
Let's go the whole hog!
DeleteThis not only stood out, but helped me to get a few also. Thank you for the compliments, but I was a little surprised it was not mentioned earlier.
Delete+! to CV's 9.19
DeleteI thought so too.
ReplyDeletePalindromes-
A/c- Tenet, Refer, Marram,
Dn- Put up, Rotor, Deed, Malayalam, Minim, Madam, Peep
Totals to 10!
Shri at 925
ReplyDeleteWith so many palindromes today I should have looked either way :)
That reminds me, in India, one has to look either way before crossing a one-way street
Even further Kishore .. It is like 1 Dn , 3 Dn & 10 Ac
DeleteRaised a little dog in Chandigarh, say. Quite the contrary! (3,2)
ReplyDelete***
This is a very good clue.
Raised - def
a little dog in Chandigarh say = PUP in UT
Quite the contrary - no, no it is Chandigarh, say in a little dog = UT in PUP so we get the answer P(UT) UP
This clue type is found often in UK crosswords.
I don't think I have deployed this device in any of my crosswords..
Let's hope we see one in one of these days...
DeleteThanks, CV. I am trying different things from my arsenal. Sometimes it fires well, but sometimes it back-fires
DeleteMy " I thought so too" referred to K's remark about Col. & CV's remarks- it is posted a little out of order.
ReplyDeleteIn all the heated debate which has seen no 'abatement' forgot to congratulate Incognito for the theme.
ReplyDelete72 and counting at 1123!
ReplyDeleteHow could you post the score at 1123 at 1112?
Delete'Be'Foresight
DeletePhantom vision
DeleteThis Phantom is ahead of his time. ;)
DeleteThe clock on my cell phone is fast and I noticed it after posting.
Thanks again K for the SAMOSA. I never thought there would an answer SAMOSA when you said it yesterday.
ReplyDeletePower failure - hence could not log in earlier
ReplyDelete4 hr power cuts back in Hyd.
ReplyDeleteWonderful xie.All workable clues.To cite a few 1, 28,30a18d.28 a & 2d usages news to me.In fine, cognitively a complete puzzle.Thank you IC.
ReplyDeleteIncog has got new IC's
DeleteWith DD fiasco, the setter could have used Chinese President returning.
ReplyDeleteDr House serial in star world. He calls one of his interns 13.
ReplyDeleteKishore : Did I speak too'soon yesterday? The child has just started in Class I and how can you catapult it right away to Plus 2 ? Today's crossie is so unrecognizable as Incognito's !!
ReplyDeleteIn your palindr(a)omatic anxiety, you had presumed that the poor kid will turn out to be whizz-kid in crossies? This smacked of the Telegraph's Toughie !! DONOTDO this again.
Annotations are rotated in a rotor !!