Challenging Measure for Measure@
ACROSS
1 An argument about a river flowing around a club (6) DEBATE (DEE around BAT)
4 Perhaps flying towards the North (8) SCOTSMAN (CD) Flying Scotsman the train that goes north. For some time I had the Flying Dutchman in mind and got into trouble
10 Angry worker consumes a roll (9) CROISSANT (CROSS ANT around 1)
11 News you finally sift to pick threads (5) UNSEW (NEWS+U)*
12 Every second around Aryan god (5) RUDRA (aRoUnDaRyAn)
13 Cup with cocain mixed drink (9) CAPUCCINO (CUP+COCAIN)* See comments
@14 Measure the limit of sound (7) MAXWELL (MAX+WELL)
@16 Unit is somewhat slow at times (4) WATT (T)
21 Infantile language spoken when the king knocks off the unknown (7) KIDDISH (YIDDISH-Y+K)
@24 A measure for Liberal Quebecer constituents (9) BECQUEREL (L+QUEBECER)*
@25 Scientist’s woman wearing filleted topaz (5) HERTZ (HER+TopaZ)
26 Warning // for // a mermaid (5) SIREN 2
27 Can pigeon recollect a sorrowful state? (9) POIGNANCE (CAN PIGEON)*
28 Halts purchases around America (8) SUSPENDS (SPENDS around US)
29 Ed’s cry to brew beverages (6) CYDERS (EDS CRY)*
DOWN
1 Conventions of polite behaviour, style and spirit seen along the South (8) DECORUMS (DECO RUM S)
2 Woman to drastically reduce timber producer (8) BROADAXE (BROAD AXE)
@3 Ready to lose a pound over a measure (5) TESLA (ALL SET) (SET< A L<) Not sure if clue talks of two reversals. As it stands it becomes SET AL < = LATES See comments
5 Tool maybe cast by hand (4,3) CATS PAW (CAST* PAW)
6 Short nut traced correctly (9) TRUNCATED (NUT TRACED)*
7 An iron press in other words (6) MASHIE (MASH I.E.)
@8 A scientist is running after a merman (6) NEWTON (NEWT ON)
@9 Pressure to lift up secretions (6) PASCAL (SAP< and LAC< two secretions, nicely done)
15 Persuasive speech to replace a series’s top two spots with a rating (9) ELOQUENCE (ELO +seQUENCE)
17 Animation shown by deputy taking in cereal (8) VIBRANCE (BRAN in VICE)
18 Awful shrew, I encountered, snoring in the centrifuges (8) WHIZZERS (SHREW+I)* around ZZ
20 Part with Rip? I’d rather fly! (7) THRIPID (T) Nicely hidden
@21 Perhaps absolute knowledge about Jacob’s son who lacked energy (6) KELVIN (KEN around LeVI)
22 Belittles a scurvy scoundrel at first (6) ABASES (A BASE S)
23 Did this ambitious flier go too far? (6) ICARUS (CD,GK)
@25 Gas escaping from poultry farm unit (5) HENRY (HENneRY) Gas is Ne for Neon
Sunnet has our measure today.
ReplyDeleteThat's a measured response
Delete4A to my mind is a little obscure and needed a little more in the clue.
ReplyDelete+1 It was the last to fall
DeleteDoesn't 13A have a double PP or is there a variant to the spelling
ReplyDeleteNot a double PP, which PPPP. A double P or a PP. But you are right. A Politician with initials A P (~a pee) will make good the shortfall
Delete7 An iron press in other words (6) MASHIE (MASH I.E.)
ReplyDeleteReminded me of M*A*S*H
3 Ready to lose a pound over a measure (5) TESLA (SET< A L<) Not sure if clue talks of two reversals. As it stands it becomes SET AL < = LATES
ReplyDeleteReady = all set
lose a pound = al set
over = <=
a measure = tesla
Thanks, that's perfect
DeleteLot of energy related clues: PASCAL, NEWTON, HENRY, VOLT, WATT, MAXWELL, HERTZ etc. TO NAME A FEW
ReplyDeleteAdmirable, the way Sunnet has worked in so many themed entries. Probably his trickiest yet.
ReplyDeleteBut not so sold on some of the surfaces (croissant, poignance, broadaxe, vibrance)
+1
ReplyDeleteSamosa hoggers in cities without the print edition will be happy they didn't get the paper.
Had a tough time today. Without Bhavan's link to the grid, I would have been all at sea, as the Orkut app could not pull the grid.
DeleteThe app showed up properly through Facebook
DeleteWhen I tried it the last time I had problem with Orkut, it did not work on FB too, hence I presumed that it would happen again. Should check in future.
DeleteI checked just now. It is working in Orkut and displaying your solution.
DeleteI too have often noticed that on a given day there is a time (quite early in the morning) when the THC app is unable to display the day's grid and clues and there is another time (a little later on the same day) when it shows these up.
DeleteIt is probable that the app creators do something for it to work subsequently - or the website is late in producing the needed whatever for the app to do its work.
Samosa hoggers:
DeleteTime to rename our meets as Slogger, Bloggers and Hoggers
Where is he print edition not available? Appetite for samosas is a different issue altogether.
DeleteNo print edition in Bangalore.
DeleteLearnt a few new things, for good measure, like the alternative spelling of Cocain for Cocaine.
ReplyDeleteRe A P 8:41 - Kishore is at it again, on irrigating the hinterland! :)
Cocain is just cocaine without ecstacy
DeleteThen, no cocain at all :-)
DeleteThis Kishore has no taste at all in selecting a nice pic for a siren. I am not at all attracted by the pic of the woman that he has put up above.Smack your lips a little before you visit
ReplyDeletehttp://www.crh.noaa.gov/dvn/?n=sirenqcmetro
and see the image of the siren there.
Very shapely, nice figure!
DeleteWicked !
DeleteYes Wick-ed to be set on fire
DeleteSee
Deletehttp://www.wicked.ie/about/
Measure the limit of sound (7)
DeleteMeasure is the def.
the limit of sound - MAX WELL
We get MAX from the limit. Of course, it's the upper limit!
From 'sound' the clue-writer expects us to derive 'well'.
E.g., 'He is well' - 'He is of sound health' or even 'He is sound'.
I am just trying to read the workings of the mind of the clue-writer. Ultimately, it may not be great clue.
Why do you say it may not be a great clue?
DeleteThe maxwell, abbreviated as Mx, is the compound derived CGS unit of magnetic flux.
My contention is that 'the limit of sound' is not a good, likeable wordplay to get MAX WELL.
DeleteTks CV. I should have got that. I h\put in the answer but did not apply my mind to the anno.
Delete14A MAXWELL anno is a bit unclear. Something to do with Mach being the limit of sound?
ReplyDeleteMAX = Limit, WELL = sound
DeleteMax. for maximum could be the limit. But well? well....
DeleteSee MAXWELL besides Bhala's post above
DeleteJust saw Bhala's comment. 'Well' as of sound health, I suppose.
DeleteNice to know of people getting alarmed by the sirens...
ReplyDeleteSmacked my lips in vain!!
ReplyDeleteI did not MEASURE up to today's cw.
ReplyDelete25ac: woman should have had an apo to get HER in ans? It would mar the surface, however.
ReplyDeleteA good question.
DeleteThat sets me thinking and I wonder how I have indicated HER in my clues.
I am not searching my dB as yet, but to indicate HER why should we necessarily use 'woman's'?
I went to see that woman = I went to see her. So HER could perhaps be indicated by that woman?
In any case, just 'woman' may not really work, as you say.
I invite comments from other setters around here.
Well, I searched for the phrase "that woman" in my dB. Got many returns where the phrase was used to get HER.
DeleteJust a sampling:
27 Key is in that woman's bodice (6)
11 Different book given to that woman (5)
1 Discover I and that woman in there are through (8)
Just 'woman' leads me only to 'she' & not 'her'. 'Her' should actually be "woman's". For e.g 'her bag' etc.
ReplyDelete+1,
ReplyDelete'That' is lacking.
Yes, she does not have 'it' ...
Delete... or shall I say
DeleteThat woman! She does not have 'it' in her
Interesting discussion. I was pondering CV's example where 'that woman' seems to be a substitute for 'her'. But 'that woman' could easily be substituted with 'a woman', and then you're back to square one.
Delete'Her' could be used either as an object or as a possessive pronoun. So just making it 'woman's' would have solved all the problems?
Unlike that woman in 26 ac.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree with Bhala. It could simply be a typo.
ReplyDelete"Scientist woman's wearing filtered topaz" could well have been the clue.
Scientist- Def.- Hertz
Woman's - Her
Filtered topaz- TZ
On surface reading it would be "Woman is wearing...."
Kishore,
ReplyDeleteHow did you not commnct about Newt in 8D with Tuppy Glossop of Newt fame?
I had a choice between putting the picture of a newt and a siren and guess which one won? But seriously, I was a bit short of time trying to put up the blog after having gone with the Flying Dutchman and trying to piece up the scraps of that accident that I plain forgot about Hildebrand.
DeleteAnd after that I was left licking my chaps at the sight of CV's siren!
DeleteAlso am not sure whether fillet can mean to empty out? Unless it's taken to mean to remove bones.
ReplyDeleteFilleting = removing bones, is fine. But, topaz being non living would not be amenable to filleting. On the other hand, if you ordered fish fillet and got just the skin with everything else removed (like in today's clue), you'd feel shortchanged.
DeleteAlso, is "wearing" the aptest of position indicators (adjacenticators)?
Delete@CV: I get your point, generally one takes 'wearing' to mean something around or covering
Delete@Kishore: But if everything else is removed and you get the central portion of meat/flesh, it would be just fine? However, as an indicator, not so sure if it goes well here
Central portion may not be flesh, but bone, in some cases...like in fish
DeleteFor a veg analogy, think of a mango. The centre would not be edible. If you wanted only the edible portion , you would have to get rid of the skin and the seed. In today's example only the skin remains and the flesh too is discarded as a part of he fillting process.
DeleteI had that non living issue in mind too when posting.
ReplyDeleteOnline dictionary lists topaz as one of the birds from the hummingbird species. In that case, filleting would be plausible for surface, although it seems a bit gross !!
DeleteRacking my brains how to get T Z using the decoring technique. Probably have to use some other deletion method
ReplyDeleteHeartless would be a simple but effective way. But then, how can an inanimate object be heartless? Maybe,coreless?
ReplyDelete