Thursday, 20 June 2013

No 10804, Thursday 20 Jun 13, The Phantom

Trying out the new table format using an excel table 'HTMLised' using TABLEIZER.


ACROSS


1 U.S. State not covered in showers predicted for tropical wetland (10)RAINFORESTRAINF{OR}EST Anno not clear (Addendum - RAIN FOREcaST - See comments)
6 & 10 Critical decision to perform duties of Brahma or Shiva? (4,2,5)MAKE OR BREAK  [CD/GK]
11Breaking up unity is no good; leads to undoing (7)UNTYING{UNITY}*{N}{G}
12Set to work making motorcycle engine perhaps (3-6)TWO-STROKE*
13Scumbag growls displaying violent behaviour (5)AGGRO[T]
14A table listing Arabian Sea leads to set of maps (5)ATLAS{A}{T}{L}{A}{S}
15Gratis hits in football, result of opposition’s fouls (4,5)FREE KICKSE
17Echo of low sound reflected about in report, is backfire (9)BOOMERANG {B{OOM<=}{ER<=}ANG}
21Samosas are spoilt, therefore rejected aggregate (5)AMASSsAMoSAS*
22Trendy review about public transportation (5) TRAMSTRAMS<= Put in {RE}{BUS} first and got confused.
24A standard three-foot baton? (9)YARDSTICK{YARD}{STICK}
26Concise symbolic story describes men returning at a lively tempo (7)ALLEGRO{ALLEGe}{RO<=} Not sure of Anno (Addendum - ALLEG(RO<=)y - See comments)
27Gaudy display by admirer is not bad sounding (7)FANFARE{FAN}{FARE}(~fair)
28Two lads losing their heads over plaything (2-2)YO-YO {YOb}-{YOb}<=
29Is “Pretty Cap” novel not using a printed copy? (10)TYPESCRIPT{IS+PRETTY+CaP}*




DOWN


1 Romania — East German’s place to settle (5)ROOST {RO}{OST}Why East? (See comments)
2 Misunderstanding writer’s take about British rejecting the Italian’s spirit (9)IMBROGLIOIM{BR}IG{LI<=}O Anno not clear (Addendum - {IM{BR}{OG<=}{LI<=}O} - See comments)
3 Parties meant specifically to break fasts perhaps (7) FIESTAS{F{IE}STAS*}
4 Take illegal cut and head off to leave hurriedly on river (4,3) RAKE OFF{R}(tAKE OFF} ?
5 Gay without hesitation breaks in to grasp as one wriggles out of embrace (7)SQUEEZE {S{QUEer}EiZE}
7 Copying a protocol message between computers (5)APING {A}{PING}
8 Song, seer’s composed absorbs attention (9)ENGROSSES*
9 Plainclothesman? The Christian Apostle (2,4)ST MARK {ST {M}ARK}
14Whimsical to live in trees with solitude essentially for nothing? (9)ARBITRARYARB(-o+solITude)ITRARY
16Noisy celebration over tea upsets Ravi in moral science class (9)CHARIVARI{CHA}{R{RAVI*}I} I wonder if this word had Indian origins?
18Flag with directions to wave (6)

ENSIGN {EN}{SIGN}
19Tom, Dick or Harry or Andy including wild boy (7)ANYBODY{AN{BOY*}DY}
20Assemble a cage in iron for female ruminant (7)
GIRAFFEGIRA{F}{FE} Anno pending (Addendum - {RIG{<=}{A}{F{F}E} - see comments)
21Spies sent up nab sailors carrying selenium and poison (7)ARSENIC{A{R{SE}N}IC<=}
23A couple of lines in prayer at heart to calm (5)ALLAY{A}{LL}{prAYer}
25Paid obeisance to join the Spanish, overcoming ego (5)KNELTKN(-i+el)ELT


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80 comments:

  1. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:31

    Nice new format of posting. Wonder how it is for handset users.

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    1. Nagesh20 June 2013 at 12:26

      Hi
      Sorry again not good for THC app on iPhone cannot read the annos

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    2. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 14:08

      NN,
      Hold your phone in the horizontal position and the post will look fine.

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  2. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:32

    1a : showers predicted = RAIN FORECAST
    US State not covered = remove CA

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  3. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:33

    26a: concise symbolic story = ALLEGOR(-y)
    men returning = OR -> RO
    at a lively tempo = ALLEGRO

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  4. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:33

    1d: {RO}{OST}Why East?
    East = OST in German
    'Place to settle' is the definition

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  5. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 08:34

    Looks good, Deepak.

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  6. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:34

    20d: GIRA{F}{FE} Anno pending
    assemble = rig up = GIR
    a = A
    cage in ... for = containment indicator
    iron = FE
    female = F
    ruminant = GIRAFFE

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    1. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 08:44

      Not clear how 'cage in iron for female' leads to FFE. Is it {F{F}E} then it is female caged in Iron

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    2. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:46

      I think the setter meant the same, although it didn't come out as clearly as your version.

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  7. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 08:36

    Thanks Bhavan for all the annos

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  8. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:39

    Still not sure of IMBROGLIO.

    This is a very nice puzzle from Phantom.

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  9. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 08:40

    Misunderstanding writer’s take about British rejecting the Italian’s spirit (9)

    IM{BR}{(OG)(LI)<-}O

    IMO: In my opinion

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    1. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 08:41

      Good one Sandhya

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    2. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:42

      Nice one Sandhya

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    3. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 08:46

      Bravo, Sandhya. That is the only one I had not been able to crack.

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    4. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 08:49

      It's high time Sandhya joined the band of setters, unless she is already one from amongst the new lot

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    5. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 08:50

      Col @ 8.49

      +1

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    6. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 08:52

      No way :P

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    7. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 08:55

      Why 'No way'. The way is clear if you go via CV ;-)

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    8. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 08:58

      :))

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    9. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 10:20

      Have you penned a testamentary document ?

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    10. Richard20 June 2013 at 10:54

      She will...

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    11. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 11:29

      Then, there is a way

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  10. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 08:49

    Thanks everyone!

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    1. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 08:51

      Zugzwang of the Col.'s gambit deftly side-stepped by Sandhya...

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    2. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 08:54

      I did reply!

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    3. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 08:56

      852 is after 851 ;-)

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    4. Richard20 June 2013 at 10:52

      Sandhya, there is a landslide in your favour. Give it a serious thought.

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    5. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 13:46

      @Richard: 'One swallow does not a summer make!'

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  11. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 08:56

    Thanks to KKK for the link to TABLEIZER

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    1. Klue Klux Klan20 June 2013 at 09:53

      Glad to be of assistance, Sir!

      Think there is even a simple option to remove the borders if the 'table' seems to un-blogly for people.

      @Kishore Sir, the formatting is spot on! Well played!

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    2. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 10:10

      Thanks, KKK. And no 'Sir' please. After all, 3Ks are more than 1

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    3. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 10:30

      KKK,

      Looked for the option to remove the borders but couldn't find it. Do let me know how to do it.

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  12. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 09:01

    CHARIVARI I wonder if this word had Indian origins?

    Sounds like how a Andhraite might address an Iyengar gentleman with respect... on the lines of Srivari (remembered the old movie Srivarikku premalekha)

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    1. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 09:02

      Sorry, that should be Srivariki premalekha

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    2. Suresh20 June 2013 at 09:29

      The movie and theatre listings in "Punch" used to be titled 'London Charivari'

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    3. Raghunath20 June 2013 at 09:49

      That Iyengar gent could be Ravi Chari*?

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    4. Shrikanth20 June 2013 at 11:27

      Is the celebration about Hari & Ravi's marriage?

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    5. Shrikanth20 June 2013 at 12:09

      Is the celebration about Hari & Ravi's marriage? :P

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  13. Raghunath20 June 2013 at 09:48

    Col,

    Typo in anno for 20 D. Should be RIG<-

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  14. Suresh20 June 2013 at 09:55

    Another great cw from the Phantom

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  15. Chaturvasi20 June 2013 at 09:59

    Looked fine on my mini iPad.

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  16. Raghunath20 June 2013 at 09:59

    Wonder what happened to Skulldugger?

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  17. Anonymous20 June 2013 at 10:22

    21d reminded me of old lace. Beautiful comedy...

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  18. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 10:38

    Refer KKK's 9:53 and my 10:30,

    Borders removed, looks better now

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    1. Klue Klux Klan20 June 2013 at 12:32

      Col,


      Sorry I could not reply earlier. Looks much better indeed! In fact, you could, perhaps, look at experimenting with, maybe, thinner borders and then finally decide if removing them altogether is indeed thee best option.


      Cheers!

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  19. phantom20 June 2013 at 11:02

    This comment has been removed by the author.

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    1. Shrikanth20 June 2013 at 11:15

      Nice Puzzle Phantom. very interesting.

      Am surprised that your changes weren't carried out, because I literally bug The Hindu with so many changes and they are promptly made (it's a different thing that there are still mistakes creeping in , I spoke a bit too early with tomorrow being my turn)

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    2. phantom20 June 2013 at 11:17

      Sorry AD, I deleted the post to which you had replied, as it was too long.

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    3. phantom20 June 2013 at 11:18

      Split it i three parts and reproduced below.

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  20. phantom20 June 2013 at 11:08

    Hello everybody,
    Assuming the dust has settled, shall attempt to address a couple of issues which had cropped up:
    20 D: Assemble a cage in iron for female ruminant (7)
    Not clear how 'cage in iron for female' leads to FFE. Is it {F{F}E} then it is female caged in Iron

    Cage in iron: Cage made of iron: FE. For female: F comes in F E. I thought this came out clearly.

    4 D: Take illegal cut and head off to leave hurriedly on river (4,3) RAKE OFF {R}(tAKE OFF} ? Yes
    6 D: Noisy celebration over tea upsets Ravi in moral science class (9) CHARIVARI. {CHA}{R{RAVI*}I}.
    Upset Ravi was intended as reversal, being part of Down clue. However, the anno works both ways.

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  21. phantom20 June 2013 at 11:08

    This clue missed the attention of the purists amongst us:
    21 Samosas are spoilt, therefore rejected aggregate (5) AMASS sAMoSAS*.

    And the debutant's CW carried this on May 13:
    22 Collect rotten samosas that are not big (5) AMASS (SAMosAS)*.

    There was a lot of discussion here about the use of abbreviations in deletion/ addition into an anagram fodder. I had then changed the clue to a simple charade, for this reason and also since it would have been a near copy of Aspartame's puzzle. Was surprised to it appear unchanged today. Funnily, just yesterday I had requested a spelling correction and it was carried out. I had, well in advance, submitted four other clues requiring changes but were not done. Think setters should pay more attention the first time. No damage done, but would have been satisfied had these appeared.

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  22. phantom20 June 2013 at 11:08

    Coincidentally Aspartame's puzzle also carried this clue, which appeared in today's puzzle:
    17 Al Gore left dancing brisk ballet movements (7) ALLEGRO (AL GORE L)*.

    Hope you enjoyed today's offering.

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  23. Shrikanth20 June 2013 at 11:34

    Do anyone of you face the issue of comments after getting published, suddenly disappearing? Happens frequently to me. There was one I posted under Kishore's 9.01, it was there for a while, now not seen.

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    1. Deepak Gopinath20 June 2013 at 13:42

      Somehow quite a few of your comments have gone into the spam folder, don't know why. I have restored all of them from there.

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  24. Lakshmi Vaidyanathan20 June 2013 at 11:40

    IM{BR}{(OG)(LI)<-}O
    IMO: In my opinion

    Can anyone explain the anno please?

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    1. Shrikanth20 June 2013 at 11:45

      Check Sandhya's 8.40

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    2. SandhyaP20 June 2013 at 13:56

      IMO: In My Opinion = Writer's take/interpretation
      BR: British
      IL: Italian
      GO: spirit/verve/zest
      IL + GO reversed(rejected)

      Definition: Misunderstanding

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    3. Lakshmi Vaidyanathan20 June 2013 at 15:40

      Thanks a lot Sandhya.

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  25. Krishnan20 June 2013 at 11:44

    In 16D can anyone tell me what does "in moral science class" imply ?

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    1. Bhavan20 June 2013 at 12:25

      RI = Religious instruction. That has been referred to as 'moral science class' which is debatable (not from the theological perspective but if it is another instance of the indirect abbreviation indicator discussion from yesterday)

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    2. phantom20 June 2013 at 12:54

      Yes. Agree with you.

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    3. phantom20 June 2013 at 13:04

      I thought I had read somewhere that RI was an abbrv for moral sc or instruction.

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    4. Krishnan20 June 2013 at 13:55

      Thanks Bhavan and Phantom.

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  26. Navneeth20 June 2013 at 13:08

    I prefer the clue-first blog format, and this formatting is great on the eyes. (Windows Desktop/Firefox)

    I thought 9D was rather nice, or at least the cryptic part 'Plainclothesman' leadning to ST MARK. I didn't get the anno. until I saw the blog post.

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    1. VJ20 June 2013 at 16:00

      But is man = M a valid abbreviation? Male = M is known to me, but not sure about the former.

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    2. Navneeth20 June 2013 at 16:49

      Well, then it should be! ;-) I've always thought it was. Man - Male is close enough, except for some official stamp of approval.

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  27. Raghunath20 June 2013 at 14:42

    Sandhya,

    Re Imbroglio. Slight corr in anno: IL: 'the' in Italian.

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  28. raju umamaheswar20 June 2013 at 20:38

    Phantastic opherring phrom Phantom : Orkut's clues were hit by gremlin as some of them were beset with hieroglyphic symbols !@#$%^& !!

    Clues of my day: IMBROGLIO & CHARIVARI. Annotation for the former was very convoluted whereas, the latter was ribtickling- so many Infdian names like Ravi and Chari, Hari . Very unusual word to appear in a cryptic crossword.

    I went at this crossword like a dog with a bone and struck off all the clues in 20 minutes flat and then sat down to parse and so many pennies dropped like a One -armed bandit !!

    Thanks Phantom. Your creation was phantasmagorical.

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  29. VP20 June 2013 at 21:02

    Really nice one from Phantom. Plainclothesman was my COD.

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  30. phantom20 June 2013 at 21:26

    The use of 'M' for man in Plainclothesman is a valid point. I too initially had misgivings about it's use. Had checked with Shuchi @ crosswordunclued, who confirmed that it had been used in a few Guardian puzzles. Here's a clue from Arden which appeared recently (on 5th June) where M is abbreviated for man.

    13 A man from South Africa went on to propagate it (6) AHIMSA (A + HIM + SA)

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    1. phantom20 June 2013 at 21:28

      I might add that I was expecting the question on this as well as on the SAMOSAS issue (after seeing it in print today).

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    2. Chaturvasi20 June 2013 at 22:01

      In the Arden clue, it seems man gives HIM. not M.

      9d is an excellent clue. Guardian or not, I am not sure if 'm' can be used for man. My edition of the Chambers dictionary does not have 'man' for 'm' but a crossword dictiionary has.

      Do we go by what the general dictionaries say or what the specialist dictionaries have or what convention dictates?

      If we accept 'm' for man, tell me in what context it is sued.

      OTOH, we use the abbr. m for male in several contexts.

      Baby born, m, 2.5kg, fair, w/ scar on forehead.

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    3. phantom20 June 2013 at 22:53

      Sorry pasted the wrong clue.

      7 Point man to lead the fighters is seen as *"ingratiating"* (6) *SMARMY* (S + M + ARMY)

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    4. phantom20 June 2013 at 22:55

      Sorry pasted the wrong clue.

      7 Point man to lead the fighters is seen as *"ingratiating"* (6) *SMARMY* (S + M + ARMY)

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