Tuesday, 25 June 2013

No.10808, Tuesday 25 Jun 13, Sankalak

This is yet another well-crafted puzzle from Sankalak. Felt it was slightly more challenging than yesterday but nonetheless entertaining. The long anagram for PASS ROUND THE HAT was really nice.

ACROSS
1 Held in great respect, naval officer tangles with engineer (9)  ADMIRABLE  ADMIRAL & BE enmeshed
5 Father goes around university somewhere in Oceania (5) PAPUA PAPA outside U
8 Water ice served with peaches or better (6) SORBET Hidden
9 Given elaborate treatment, wily, sly editor is confused about time (8) STYLISED (SLY ED IS)* outside T why are two anagram indicators needed? (wily & confused)
11 Confront leaders of Eastern Europe in Montana (4) MEET E E inside MT
12 Creature, a recluse with backing of nuclear researchers (6,4) HERMIT, CRAB HERMIT + BARC <=
14 Eminent northern editor gets hold of the book (5) NOTED N + ED outside OT
15 A talk about the French treatment to contain the onset of tetanus (7) LECTURE LE + CURE outside T
16 Card game for two for which a sly chap has the skill (7) COONCAN COON + CAN My chambers dictionary defines coon: a sly thief, but can't find a reference online
17 Light vehicle removed from the front by railway man (5)  GUARD vanGUARD
19 Sweet, insubstantial stuff in Sweden — fancy! Sold surreptitiously (5,5) CANDY, FLOSS (S + FANCY + SOLD)*
20 60 minutes on the outskirts of Sivakasi for Mr. Indian (4) SHRI HR inside S I
22 Torpor of member, youth leader, crossing Rajasthan desert (8) LETHARGY LEG + Y outside THAR
23 Former Americantennis star in Britain gets a straw hat (6) BASHER ASHE inside BR
24 Thread one’s way through a scree very carefully (5) REEVE Hidden
25 Expert on the cup that cheers (3,6) TEA, TASTER CD

DOWN
1 Think that there is money in a small enterprise to start with? (6) ASSUME SUM inside A S E
2 She recommended cake for those without bread! (5,10) MARIE ANTOINETTE CD
3 The grass to study, say (4) REED ~ READ
4 Scientist, one of the gloomiest, not to be corrected (12) ENTOMOLOGIST (GLOOMIEST NOT)*
5 An aspiring member or already one? (10) POLITICIAN CD
6 Collect contributions in pounds? Hear that’s complicated (4,5,3,3) PASS, ROUND, THE, HAT (POUNDS HEAR THATS)*
7 German automobile engineer, holding top of loudspeaker, can be heard (7) AUDIBLE AUDI + L inside BE
10 Eminent person showing the way, carefree (7,5) LEADING, LIGHT LEADING + LIGHT
13 It is used to join things with a tough record (6,4) STICKY, TAPE STICKY + TAPE
16 He laughs loudly and caught the king in clear disarray (7) CACKLER C + K inside CLEAR*
18 But does it really show how others see you? (6) MIRROR CD
21 Girl in an illusion (4) MAYA DD

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39 comments:

  1. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 08:30

    Yesterday’s ET (BangED) 5266 had this at 2d (at the same location)

    Wrong time to rate inane Queen (5,10)

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  2. Venkatesh25 June 2013 at 08:33

    1Ac Held in great respect, naval officer tangles with engineer (9) ADMIRABLE*

    Won't "deserving to be held in great respect" be more apt?

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    1. Bhavan25 June 2013 at 08:35

      'held in great respect' works fine as the adjective needed for definition

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    2. Venkatesh25 June 2013 at 08:40

      I disagree.

      There is a difference between 'an admired person' and 'an admirable person'. In the former case, it is one who is held in great respect, while the latter is a person fit or fitted to be held in great respect.

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    3. Col_Gopinath25 June 2013 at 08:47

      +1 for Bhavans 8:35

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    4. Venkatesh25 June 2013 at 08:52

      This is similar to the difference between 'admissible evidence' and 'admitted evidence'.

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    5. Chaturvasi25 June 2013 at 08:57

      Mr X is held in great respect - Mr X is admired.

      Mr X is worthy of being admired - Mr X is admirable.

      Can we think of a sentence where 'admirable' can be substituted by 'held in great respect'?

      Mr X is admirable. Here admirable is an adj.

      Mr X is held in great respect.

      Venkatesh is alluding to the question of usage that often crops up here. Reputed/reputable.

      When I say X is a reputable company I am often asked whether I mean reputed. I argue that 'reputable' is fine.

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    6. Chaturvasi25 June 2013 at 08:59

      If we say that a certain evidence is admissible, it will indeed be admitted.

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    7. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 09:01

      This issue sees to be disputed and disputable...

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    8. Suresh25 June 2013 at 09:01

      I agreed with Bhavan on this. An admirable person is one who deserves respect. My OED gives the meaning as 'arousing or deserving respect'. With due respects, Venklatesh I think the distinction you are drawing is too fine to make any practical difference.

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    9. Venkatesh25 June 2013 at 09:34

      Kishore,

      The usual recourse is to say this is in the Thesaurus, so it must be right without making an effort to reason it out. It is nice that CV has differed from this by trying to tease out the nuance with examples.

      In your inimitable style, you have put your finger on the spot by drawing a parallel.
      disputable = debatable; open to discussion, arguable
      disputed = debated, discussed, argued

      There is a difference between being worthy of praise and actually being praised.
      There may be many who deserve medals (or commendations), but only a few end up getting these.
      Not all evidence, which is admissible (fit to be admitted), may get admitted.

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    10. Richard25 June 2013 at 09:36

      As for reputed and reputable, the matter had once been discussed here.

      'Reputable' to mean 'of good repute' is preferred and is perhaps more appropriate, because 'repute' as a verb has a different connotation.

      'To be reputed' means what is popularly believed to be. Hence a reputed company can mean that the establishment is believed to be a company but may not be so in reality.

      'He is a reputed person' can mean that he is believed to be a person but may not be a person at all.

      There are interesting posts on this point available on the Net, like this one.

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    11. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 10:22

      Though I have no issue with he lue as such, may I illustrate the difference.

      I think I am admirable. ;-)

      I am not sure if I am admired.

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    12. Deepak Gopinath25 June 2013 at 10:37

      How can an admirable person like you not be admired?

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    13. Richard25 June 2013 at 11:34

      Like being credited but not creditable...:-)

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    14. Richard25 June 2013 at 11:35

      or vice versa...

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    15. Suresh25 June 2013 at 11:52

      Venkatesh. Admissible evidence may not be admitted, perhaps. But, have you come across an admirable person who is not admired.

      Or are you referring to the unsung heroes in Gray's Elegy? Even in this case the moment someone describes somebody as 'admirable' he would simultaneously also be admired by that somebody

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    16. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 12:08

      Let me clarify what I was trying to convey at 1022:

      To br admired, i require at least one admirer (totally 2 persons). To be admirable (albeit in my own reckoning) requires only my ego ( one is enough)

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    17. Mukundala Balasubramanyam25 June 2013 at 12:12

      Kishore : 10:22

      To me you are ADMIRABLE and that's it. Reason : Your wonderful word play !

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    18. Suresh25 June 2013 at 12:58

      Kishore you are not saying anything different from what I said. A person becomes admirable and admired at the same time, even if the individual who is making that judgement is himself only.

      Essentially there is no difference in the usage of the two words.

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    19. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 13:25

      Mukunda @1212:

      What ! And not just my figure ?

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    20. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 13:29

      Suresh @1258:

      I was trying to emphasise that while every admired person is admirable (at least in the eyes of the admirer if not anyone else), every admirable person may not be admired, maybe even due to the fact that his virtues/achievements are not known to anyone else, except himself, because the world may want proof. For eg: George Mallory

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    21. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 17:04

      Or the unknown soldier/spy.

      Sometimes achievements are known only to a small number of people and the hero remains unsung outside that circle. Eg. Man Mohan Singh

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    22. VJ25 June 2013 at 17:40

      I think Venkatesh has raised a valid point. While it may be argued that it's just semantics and in many cases these two words can be used interchangeably, the subtle difference, whatever it is, may prove to crucial depending on the context - like lovable and loved, well, for instance lovable ones and loved ones are not the same.

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  3. Col_Gopinath25 June 2013 at 08:45

    The tense of the two halves in the surface of 16D do not match

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  4. Col_Gopinath25 June 2013 at 08:52

    Shuchi,

    What's up, not heard from you for ages?

    Crossword Unclued too is stuck on 09 Apr?

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    1. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 08:59

      Last I heard from her she was in Pune working on a demanding project with little time to spare. That was about a month back. I presume that situation is continuing.

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  5. Raghunath25 June 2013 at 10:18

    4 Scientist, one of the gloomiest, not to be corrected (12) ENTOMOLOGIST

    'One of the' redundant? It adds to the surface, but any other way of wording this clue?

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  6. Raghunath25 June 2013 at 10:23

    1 Held in great respect, naval officer tangles with engineer (9) ADMIRABLE

    Maybe 'Worthy of respect'... would have been apter.

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  7. maradnusro25 June 2013 at 10:43

    Whatever may be the opinion of polymaths who regularly discuss nuances of 'ted' and 'table I would like to have a puzzle by Sankalak everyday. I will be glad to lead his fan club.

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  8. Mukundala Balasubramanyam25 June 2013 at 15:36

    Kishore @ 1:25

    For that I'll have to change my sex !

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    1. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 17:02

      Why bring in three-letter words into the conversation? People of either gender can admire a good figure-
      especially monetary

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    2. Mukundala Balasubramanyam25 June 2013 at 17:41

      My mistake. Shall be more careful in future.

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  9. Richard25 June 2013 at 16:58

    Does anyone remember the imposition of the Emergency in India exactly 38 years ago? CV may have some special thoughts to share...

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    1. Anonymous25 June 2013 at 17:05

      You are not expected to speak about it. Remember the old censor of yore. Remember the Prism of modern times.

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    2. Chaturvasi25 June 2013 at 20:42

      I was working with the undivided Indian Express at that time - and you know that its boss opposed it fiercely.

      The pages that we made had to be sent to the Censors at Shastri Bhavan who took their own time in sending them back after their work on them.

      (These were wet proofs and in a matter of minutes they would become dry. But as we scan them, they would still be wet and we would use blue marking pencils to make any corrections.)

      Many items would have been scored off and we had to rework on the pages after they came back to us.

      Colleagues used to wait at the office till the pages came back.

      We used to return home in the wee hours - 3-30 a/m/ or even later after having.gone to the office at 7-30 p.m.

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  10. Mukundala Balasubramanyam25 June 2013 at 18:19

    Today's general discussion regarding usage of certain English words was quite exhaustive and informative. Such discussions surely help people like me(not that good in English)to improve a lot. Thank U, Col.Saheb for such a wonderful blog that keeps one's grey cells active !

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