Friday, 21 June 2013

No 10805, Friday 21 Jun 13, Afterdark

Smooth CW from Afterdark. 

ACROSS
1 Enforced into a mutinous union (13) CONFEDERATION*     
10Lad, the French rule forms a physics theorem (6,3)
 BOYLES LAW{BOY}{LES} {LAW}
11Sage had us confused (5) SADHU*
12Let out obsolete broken instruments (5) OBOESOBSOletE*
13ARR captivated by indigenous recital (9) NARRATIVE{N{ARR}ATIVE}
14German soldier covers imperfect tracks (6) SPOORS{S{POOR}S}
16Container we returned with hesitation (4) EWER{WE<=}{ER}
19Claim a man makes of hiding a religious leader (4) IMAM[T]
20Attack sister on the tricycle (6) STRIKE{S}{TRIKE}
25Arrive inside civilised Austria, to the city environs (5,4) URBAN AREA{URBAN {AR}E}{A}
26Commotion around article? Take a step (5) STAIR{ST{A}IR}
27Time setter made for the virgin (5)
Been seeing this cartoon almost daily, finally got a chance to put it in the blog
 HOURI{HOUR}{I}
28Huntersrecipe with roasted pig’s head cooked (9) PREDATORS{R+ROASTED+P}*
29Detector touring Greece distractedly (6,7)GEIGER COUNTER*




DOWN                                                                                                                                                                   
2 Decapitated cunning idiot? As a figure of speech, yes (8)
OXYMORON{fOXY}{MORON}
3 Learner overwhelmed by tuition charges, escapes (5)FLEES{F{L}EES}
4 Distributing the same fish (6)DOLING{DO}{LING}
5 Felicitated minor with grass garland (8)REWARDED{RE{WARD}ED}
6 Note sent to include army man as evidence (9)TESTAMENT{TE}{S{TA}{M}ENT}
7 Rule constrained terribly, lacking cents (6)ORDAINcOnstRAINeD*
8 Hates sailor’s tailless steed (6)ABHORS{AB}{HORSe}
9 You escaped from the line before new ruler? (5)QUEEN{QUEuE}{N}
15Exaggerating German cousin terribly useless (9)ROMANCING{GeRMAN+COusIN}*
17Vulgar supporter harboured by dreadful Emir (8)IMPROPER{IM{PROP}ER*}
18Crave outwardly for a kinky garment (8)
PINAFORE{PIN{FOR+A*}E}
21Escape the din created by drunken designers (6)EGRESSdESiGnERS*
22Greek character demure & soft (5)MUSHY{MU}{SHY}
23Disown the bar Teju built without taste initially (6)ABJURE{BAR+tEJU}*
24Watch the short boy at the belvedere (6)GAZEBO{GAZE}{BOy}
26Mineral spring in the country (5)
SPAIN{SPA}{IN}


60 comments:

  1. Is the font for the clues too big?

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    1. Thanks Sandhya, shall reduce it to normal size.

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    2. Colonel, those patches next to Down wasn't there yesterday. Maybe the shading of that row in the excel?

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    3. Now, after change, the font size is ideal.

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    4. If the clue number in cell 1 is against the line or the first of two or more lines in the cell 2 (the clue text cell), it will be great. But I don't know if the sw can handle it at Excel or subsequent stage.

      This is only a suggestion not a 'must-do' request.

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    5. AD @ 8:45,
      The patches in the row with DOWN have been added by me, they are no part of the Tabelizer code. I wanted it to look similar to Across. Next time I shall insert tseparat tables for the Across and Down in which case both first rows will look similar

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    6. CV @ 8:50

      Shall fiddle around with the HTML code to see if that can be done

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    7. This font is fine. Previously, the focus seemed to be on the clues rather than the answers/annotations.

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    8. DG@851

      Alignment of clue no.s to top left can be easily done in the excel sheet in one go.

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    9. Alignment gets changed in TABELIZER even if its made TOP in Excel

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  2. 21D Where is the indicator that din should be removed from designers?

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  3. Nice pangram Afterdark.

    In 25D, how is AR = arrive?

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    1. I think AR is abbreviation used occasionally for Arrival, though I'm not sure about it.

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    2. Chambers has ARR: 2 arrival; arrives. Not AR.

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    3. Thanks Bhavan. Well I don't think I can give a convincing answer on how arrive= ar . The source I refer to for abbreviations is the one Ross Beresford compiled which was initially available at Google groups and later in multiple places. That gives Arab, Arrive, Arrival, Army regulation, Year of reign as choices. Maybe I should stock the more accepted Chambers. Will keep in mind

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  4. 6 Note sent to include army man as evidence (9)TESTAMENT TE}{S{TA}{M}ENT}

    It's that 'man' again!

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    1. m for man and w for woman are fine I think.

      Like CV mentioned yesterday, they are present in the Chambers XWD Dictionary of abbreviations.

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    2. Yes, but he still wasn't convinced about it's usage.

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    3. I think Deepak is spreading his phobia of apostrophes.

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    4. ' Its' a catastrophe...

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    5. Reg. M for man, well still not sure where the abbreviation is generally used.

      I've seen M and W equated to Man and Woman respectively on some rest room doors. Not sure if this could be taken as a standard.

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    6. Such rest room signs lend themselves for use in pranks if they become upside down. But frankly, I think symbols are more commonly in use and when words are used it is usually 'Ladies' and 'Gentlemen'

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  5. 13 ARR captivated by indigenous recital (9)NARRATIVE {N{ARR}ATIVE}

    What's ARR?

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    1. More like who is ARR = A R Rahman, I presume for the surface to make sense

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    2. I have reason to believe that the sub on the crossword desk took those initials for the celebrated music composer.

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    3. Yes it is A.R.Rahman. Used it in the same sense Bhavan suggested

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  6. Nice crossword. Liked 15 D. Questions remain about the use of abbreviations:

    AR, ARR and U for You.

    Lad, the French rule forms a physics theorem (6,3)BOY LES, LAW

    Is something missing in the clue?

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    1. Nothing is missing.

      Lad - BOY
      the French - LES (plural form of le or la)
      rule - LAW

      You mean there is no indication in the clue for that dreaded apostrophe? LOL.

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    2. I meant the surface reading.

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  7. Ar has been given as an abbreviation for ARRIVE in the following dicts:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ar

    http://dictionary.reference.com/abbreviations/ar.

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    1. I had deleted my post where I had mentioned about it appearing in thefreedictionary.com.

      Question is which Dic is to be referred?

      All these three dics also give ARR: arrive.

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    2. Even
      'a'
      will lead to 'arrival'
      - an abbr. used widely in railway and other transport tables.
      In any case, ARR in this crossword does not glance at 'arrival'.

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    3. So which dictionary is acceptable?

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  8. Nice one from Afterdark
    Clues imo that could have been better

    26A) Commotion around article? Take a step (5) Take a step indicates a verb, the solution leads to a noun
    21D) Escape the din created by drunken designers (6) Too many words that are neither part of the defn or the word play

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    1. Agreed on point 2. Could have been framed better.

      On 26A, the intended def was only 'step' . Not 'take a step'. Yet I agree that cluing could have better.

      Thanks

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    2. I think there is a convention that only some words can act as links in crossword clues. I am afraid I can't provide a list - I am not sure if any such list exists either.

      I don't think "take" is an acceptable link word.

      By constant solving and by studying clues one picks them up, prolly.


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    3. Get a general idea of this at: http://www.crosswordunclued.com/2009/07/connectors.html

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  9. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. :) if this one was better was than the previous puzzles, credit goes to Shuchi who gave her feedback before it went for publication, based on which changes were made.

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  10. Nice one from Afterdark.

    Maybe nitpicking on this point: To be really fair, if the letters to be removed from the fodder are not in the same order in the word that is presented for removal, perhaps there should be a change indicator (anagram or reversal as applicable) ? Ref: clues like 7D & 15D. But it certainly does not take away anything from a really nice crossword.

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    1. I agree. I remember posing the same question about one of Gridman's clue where he took pains to indicate the letters removed are not in order. While I knew it is fair that way, I didn't think it was unfair if it is not so. I may be wrong. Some liberty taken :)

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  11. I got a technical question.

    Usage of "of" inside wordplay as a linkword is often frowned upon. I was wondering if this usage could be defended considering the fact that, in many standard abbreviations, the word is often ignored - like in Bachelor of Arts (BA), United states of America (USA) et cetera.

    Thoughts?

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    1. I am not in favour of that.

      I don't know why 2 or 3 letter extraneous words (of, is, for, the) seem to not matter to some setters and solvers if they are present in a clue. To me, each word in a clue must have a reason for its presence in both the surface and cryptic readings.

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    2. I'm also not in favor of "if" appearing as a link word within word play, but was wondering 'cause of the fact that it's ignored in some of the standard abbreviations.

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  12. AD,

    Your response at 1:38 to Lakshmi and at 1:45 to VP were restored from the Spam folder

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  13. Good crossie from Afterdark. He seems to be a 'Removal man' as so many clues where letters are to be removed. Albeit, no gripes.

    Clue of my day: ROMANCING

    Man and Woman (M&W) Man down and woman up? or vice-versa? I am always confused with the modern universal signs in rest rooms;too difficult to discern which is which in these unisex days. Reminds me of an incident in Dubai airport when on our way to Nagoya, wifey and I were busy playing scrabble , waiting for the connecting flight, when suddenly the announcement was made to board. Scurried into the nearest washroom, unbeknown of the signs on the doors and found myself in a Woman's .Luckily for me, no one was around and on my way , after zipping up, saw an old dame entering:, telling me " this is for ladies" !! Made a bolt for my life and of course for my life !

    Another one: recently in the Mall in Coimbatore, a a youngster in drags was caught in the Ladies' rest room. When apprehended by the alert security, he pleaded that he was always wanting to be a woman !!

    Oh, this funny peculiar world !!

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    1. Raju you made my day. I personally liked the cluing. Was telling my wife that maybe it wasn't so. :)

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    2. But VP's 1.07 told it wasn't a fair clue after all. Which I kind off subscribe . But fun nonetheless .

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  14. Made a bolt for my flight and and of course for my life.

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    1. Zipping your way around the world!

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