Friday 21 July 2023

No 13923, Friday 21 Jul 2023, Hypatia

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ACROSS
9   Foreboding sensed by the Titanic's captain? (1,7,7) A SINKING FEELING [C&DD]
10 Witch initially pursues craft in bed turning to shady internet sites (4,3) DARK WEB {Wi..h}<=>{ARK} in {BED<=}
11 Despondent leader sacked and kicked out (7) EJECTED dEJECTED
12 Valet daily behind one covered park (9) CHAPRASSI {CHA{P}R}{ASS}{1}
14 Chilling in vehicle inside sanctuary on vacation (5) SCARY {Sanc{CAR}uarY}
17 Changed what happened at noon? (7) AMENDED {AM ENDED}
19 Pioneer taking first guided tour in Agra (7) GAGARIN {Gu...d} in {IN+AGAR}*
21 A little leopard returns stopping close to antelope (5) ELAND {A}{Le...d}<= in {END}
23 Rescuers bring back milk, essentially to cats (9) LIFELINES {mILk}<={FELINES}
25 Attack ambushing small brown animal (7) MUSTANG {MU{S}{TAN}G}
27 One serves in auditor’s job? (7) RACQUET (~racket)
30 Completely demolish Oz theatre (4,2,3,6) RAZE TO THE GROUND {OZ+THEATRE}* [RA]

DOWN
1   Listen to forbidden troupe (4) BAND (~banned)
2   Belt fastener? (4) TIER [DD]
3   Most desks arranged outside were fixed by nails (8) SKEWERED {DESKs}* over {WERE}
4   Ma in Mumbai is regularly seen as God (6) ANUBIS {mA+iN+mUmBaI+iS}
5   Old fellow fractures finger in the present (8) OFFERING {O}{F}{FINGER*}
6   Last of Pornhub's boring films - they are revolting! (6) REBELS {RE{p...uB}ELS}
7   Capitals of France, Italy and Turkey in order (4) FIAT Acrostic
8   Silver head frequently seen in elderly (4) AGED {AG}{hEaD} Semi&lit
12 Long for leader from communist party (5) CRAVE {Co...t}{RAVE}
13 She virtually responds at your beck and call? (5) ALEXA [GK]
15 Some minor partitions hold up screen (5) APRON [T<=]
16 Pulls wild oxen without direction (5) YANKS {YA{N}KS}
18 Second key outside bungalow, essentially (8) DELEGATE {DELE{bunGAlow}TE}
20 Spooner's remote screen - it provides lounge access (4,4) GOLD CARD (~cold guard to gold card)
22 Starts to doodle really fast making sketches (6) DRAFTS {Do...e}{Re...y}{FAST*}*
24 Old tiller planting nothing for acres (6) FORMER F(-a+o)ORMER
25 Butter turns a little sour and spoils? (4) MARS {RAM<=}{Sour}
26 Volume of loud laments (4) SIZE (~sighs)
28 Say, self-sufficient way to get hair trimmed? (1-3) U-CUT {(~you)U-CUT}
29 Little daughter gets new position? That's neat! (4) TIDY TI(-n+d)DY

Reference List
Daily = CHAR, Park = P, Small = S, Old = O, Fellow = F, Direction = N, Acres = A, Daughter = D, New = N


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92 comments:

  1. Balasubramanian Raja21 July 2023 at 08:30

    9a- a sinking feeling - forebading sense
    30a- Raze to the ground- Completely demolish,Raze to the (from anagram of Oz theatre) ,ground (from completely demolish)
    7d-fiat,order,from first letters of (France,Italy At Turkey)
    14a-scary,chilling (inside SanCtuARY)
    8d-aged- elderly( from silverAG and ED from heAD)

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    1. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 09:43

      Good beginning 👏
      30a is Reverse Anagram (RA)
      {Oz theatre*} with 'ground' as Anagram Indicator (Anind)

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    2. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 09:47

      14a relook

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    3. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 10:53

      14a Pl see Sreeram@8.34

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    4. Hypatia21 July 2023 at 23:09

      Great going Raja. Good to see you actively participating and solving.

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  2. Sreeram G21 July 2023 at 08:34

    11A Ejected -
    Despondent - Rejected, leader sacked - without R = Ejected - kicked out

    14A Scary
    Sanctuary on vacation - SY
    Vehicle - CAR, inside SY
    SCARY = Chilling

    1D BAND (homonym)
    Forbidden - Banned
    Troupe - Band

    8D AGED
    Silver AG
    Head Regularly - E, D

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    1. AJ21 July 2023 at 11:06

      Chech anno for 11a@ G. Sreeram

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    2. AJ21 July 2023 at 11:08

      Check anno not chech

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    3. Economizer21 July 2023 at 13:27

      It should be 11A {(-d)EJECTED} as opposed to {(-r)EJECTED}

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  3. Sreeram G21 July 2023 at 08:43

    15D APRON? Mi[NOR PA]rtitions, hold up <=

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  4. Padmanabhan21 July 2023 at 09:23

    Yes,why the question mark?

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    1. Sreeram G21 July 2023 at 13:17

      Had doubt regarding apron used in the sense of screen.

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  5. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 11:00

    17a AMENED - Changed
    What happened at noon? -
    {am (morning) + ended}

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  6. D N M Rao21 July 2023 at 11:03

    25Dn MARS - {RAM reversed}{S(our)}

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    1. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 11:04

      Yes

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    2. Economizer21 July 2023 at 13:30

      Is "RAM" a synonym for "BUTTER" as a verb? Looking for a good reference.

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    3. Rao Pilla21 July 2023 at 14:07

      Ram the animal is known for butting, so butter(noun)

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    4. Economizer21 July 2023 at 15:21

      Wow! Similar to "flowers" like Dee, Ouse, etc. I'm used to Krishna being associated with butter, it's unusual to see Ram in his place.

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    5. Hypatia21 July 2023 at 23:18

      Indeed:)

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  7. Veena21 July 2023 at 11:04

    23A LIFELINES
    Definition: Rescuers
    Milk essentially: IL
    Bring back: reversal indicator
    Cats: felines
    Li + felines

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  8. AJ21 July 2023 at 11:04

    5d OFFERING: present
    O(old) F( fellow) FERING( fractures finger)

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  9. gowri21 July 2023 at 11:09

    24d: FORMER = old; Tiller=farmer; +o-a
    5d: OFFERING = present: O from old, F from fellow together with FINGER
    10a: DARK WEB = shady internet sites
    W from witch., ARK from craft and BED

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    1. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 11:35

      10a @setter, considering ark is a noun: shouldnt there be an indicator!

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    2. Economizer21 July 2023 at 13:26

      @Sree Sree why should there be an indicator when craft is a noun as opposed to a verb? It serves as a verb in the context of the surface reading and as a noun in the wordplay parsing. It seems the dual role of "craft" in this sentence is intentional and integral to the cryptic nature of the clue itself.

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    3. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 16:02

      How does craft as noun lead to ark?

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    4. Economizer21 July 2023 at 16:41

      Craft = boat = ARK (like Noah's Ark)

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    5. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 18:25

      And you still dont see it!

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    6. Hypatia21 July 2023 at 23:28

      From Chambers 3.A large floating vessel as esp (usu with cap) Noah's in the biblical Flood (Genesis 6-8).

      Capitalization is needed only in the context of Noah's Ark, while ark itself can be used for any nautical vessel

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    7. Hypatia21 July 2023 at 23:49

      Craft also works as a noun in the same sense as ark above

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    8. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 23:56

      craft (sense 3 of the noun), originally in the expression small craft ‘small trading vessels’, may be elliptical, referring to vessels requiring a small amount of ‘craft’ or skill to handle, as opposed to large ocean-going ships.

      Craft in this sense is a differentiator within a class of boats/ships.
      It would be equivalent of cluing man to hint woman! Both are human!

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  10. DrBhanuMurthy21 July 2023 at 11:14

    19.a first guided....g
    Tour...anagrind
    In agra
    G in agra
    Gagarin...pioneer.
    Uri gagarin..First in space.

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  11. Rajashri21 July 2023 at 11:14

    19a GAGARIN: pioneer( Yuri GAgarin)
    G( first guided) ( IN AGRA)* indicated by tour as anagram indicator

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  12. Rajashri21 July 2023 at 11:17

    23a replacement for 19a
    LIFELINES: rescuers
    LI( milk essentially brought back) FELINES: cats

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  13. Rao Pilla21 July 2023 at 11:17

    24D FORMER - old
    tiller - farmer
    Planting nothing - o
    For acres - a
    F(-a+o)rmer

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  14. Mukundala Balasubramanyam21 July 2023 at 11:18

    25a MUSTANG {MU{S}{TAN}G}
    Attack MUG small S brown TAN
    Ambushing Insertion Indicator
    Definition: Animal

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  15. Gemini21 July 2023 at 11:18

    12A. Chaprassi= valet
    Char= Daily
    Park = P .covered is containment indicator
    Ass= Behind
    I= one
    Cha(p)rassi

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    1. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 11:45

      I thought only single s.
      But chaprassi is given as variant of chaprasi in OED.

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    2. Hypatia21 July 2023 at 23:51

      Yes - also there in MWD online

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  16. Padmanabhan21 July 2023 at 11:21

    18D- Delegate- Dele(ga)te- Second
    Key= delete; Bungalow essentially= GA

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  17. Rajashri21 July 2023 at 11:23

    Replacement for 23a which is also a repetition
    3d: SKEWERED: fixed
    Most desks: desk, were( were)
    (desk were)*

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  18. gxdxr21 July 2023 at 11:27

    6D. {RE{B}ELS}
    12D. {C}{RAVE}
    16D. {YA{N}KS}
    26D. SIZE ~sighs
    29D. TIDY (TINY – N + D)

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  19. Padmanabhan21 July 2023 at 11:32

    Neat & tidy.

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  20. Gemini21 July 2023 at 11:32

    16D. Interesting
    Oxen= Yak or Yaks ?
    Without direction - should the N be there or not ?

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  21. Padmanabhan21 July 2023 at 11:33

    Oxen- Yaks

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  22. Gemini21 July 2023 at 11:38

    I saw oxen= yak. Hence the doubt. Without direction, without doesn't apply to direction?

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    1. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 11:46

      Without is a container indicator in cryptics. It tells oxen is outside direction.

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    2. Gemini21 July 2023 at 11:51

      Thanks Sree Sree garu.....

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    3. Economizer21 July 2023 at 15:18

      "Within" means "contained in", therefore its antonym "without" means "containing".

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  23. Rao Pilla21 July 2023 at 11:46

    20D remote - old
    Screen - guard
    Spooner's version - GOLD CARD
    Provides lounge access

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  24. DrBhanuMurthy21 July 2023 at 11:48

    31.a
    A....a
    Little leopard.....l
    Returns....la
    Close...end
    La in end
    Eland...antelope

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  25. N Sridhar21 July 2023 at 11:59

    4D-Anubis-God(Egyptian);mA iN mUmBaI iS

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  26. Remy21 July 2023 at 12:00

    13 dn Alexa- Smart speaker-CD

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  27. H Ramachandran21 July 2023 at 12:00

    22d. DRAFTS = Sketches
    D, R = Starts of doodle and really
    AFTS = Anagram of fast, making anind

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  28. Murali21 July 2023 at 12:06

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  29. RR21 July 2023 at 12:09

    6d, they are revolting = rebels
    Film = reels
    Last of pornhub = b
    boring is container indicator for b in reels.

    2d, belt fastener = tier, DD

    22 d, sketches = drafts
    Starts to doodle really = dr
    (Fast)* = after
    making = anind

    28d, say self sufficient way to get hair trimmed = I cut

    13d, she virtually responds at your beck and call = Alexa, CD

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  30. DrBhanuMurthy21 July 2023 at 12:14

    28.d say self......u
    Hair trimmed....cut
    U-cut

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  31. RR21 July 2023 at 12:28

    27a, in lieu of 28d,
    One serves = racquet ~ racket
    auditor = H I

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  32. Prasanna Rao21 July 2023 at 13:23

    29D - (TI(-N)(D)Y)
    Little - TINY
    daughter - D
    new - N
    neat! = TIDY. put things in order

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  33. Economizer21 July 2023 at 13:24

    Nice pangram from Hypatia. Missed her grid last month. Interesting grid with plenty of 4- and 5-letter words, and the occasional cheeky wording. Nice wordplay for CHAPRASSI, and good use of "craft" as ARK. I enjoyed 17A "changed what happened at noon? (7) AMENDED".

    My main complaint about today's clues would be in 5D "Old fellow fractures finger in the present (8) OFFERING" in which I must point out that OFFERING is "A" present and not "THE" present as indicated in the clue. THE present would indicate that the definition is for "now", or for a specific present from prior context, which is lacking.

    CHAR as "daily" seems dated but acceptable I suppose.

    Nice to see the setter reference internet-culture in many places.

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    1. Deepak Gopinath21 July 2023 at 13:39

      The clue make no sense if you put A instead of THE!!

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    2. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 13:49

      How about
      Old fellow fractures finger at present (8)

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    3. Rao Pilla21 July 2023 at 14:03

      Or
      Old fellow fractures finger 'as' present.

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    4. Rao Pilla21 July 2023 at 14:57

      Or
      Old fellow took finger as present.

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    5. Economizer21 July 2023 at 15:16

      I would prefer "Old fellow fractures finger 'as' present", rather than using "took", as "fractures" is the anagrind while took does not indicate anagram.

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    6. Economizer21 July 2023 at 15:17

      @Rao Pilla's option also has the benefit of not using the debatable "[Wordplay] in [Definition]" syntax with the directional "in"

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    7. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 15:58

      I simply go by the all the purpose " 's".
      finger's present.
      The stands out between wp and def.

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    8. Sree Sree21 July 2023 at 16:06

      But if one has to accept "in" to mean found in, seen in types:
      We might as well extend that to "found in the"

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    9. Padmanabhan21 July 2023 at 16:24

      I have another doubt- is 'fractures' a proper anagrind?

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    10. Rao Pilla21 July 2023 at 17:28

      Technically fractures does indicate anagram. But the clue has to stay as published for the sentence to make sense.
      My final take
      Old fellow mistook finger for present.

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    11. Hypatia22 July 2023 at 00:04

      Thanks Economizer. Colonel - Appreciate if you could add the "Pangram" label as well. Glad to know which clues you liked.

      I see the point you make with respect to "the present" vs "present". As noted by Colonel, the clue loses cryptic reading when you replace "the" or any other connector as can be seen in the thread.

      Also, "fractures" is certainly a valid anagram indicator - in the context of cracks/breaks. I am not sure why there is a doubt about this (Padmanabhan sir at 16:24)

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  34. Padmanabhan21 July 2023 at 15:03

    Char is very commonly used in CW's.
    About 'the present'- I suppose it was expected to be a red herring. I got fooled too for a while.

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  35. Ramesh Kosaraju 21 July 2023 at 16:58

    Thank you Hypatia ma'am for the engaging and engrossing puzzle !!!

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  36. Gowri21 July 2023 at 20:42

    I thought yday - the huge discussion was definition - linkword - wp if the linkword is in.
    By that logic - old fellow fractures finger IN the present is not following the correct direction. Isn't it?
    @ Economizer?

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  37. Gowri21 July 2023 at 20:45

    Nice grid. Easier than usual Hypatia.
    My fav - GOLD CARD, DARK WEB, AMENDED.
    Thanx

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  38. Gowri21 July 2023 at 20:47

    Same with 8dn - silver head frequently seen IN elderly.
    Again wp IN solution.

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  39. Hypatia22 July 2023 at 00:11

    Sathia - sorry to disappoint you. Would be happy to receive your feedback and improve on the surfaces that you think can be written better.

    Also please see refer to this link with respect to Foreboding

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  40. Hypatia22 July 2023 at 00:19

    Thanks for your feedback Gowri. Good to know which clues you liked.

    On WP Def - many professional setters have chimed in on this. Also please see Bhala (XChequer)'s comments on the subject.

    I have seen it widely used both in clue writing competitions and published grids and don't think there should be any issues in using it as such.

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  41. Hypatia22 July 2023 at 00:20

    Read as WP in Def^^

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    1. Gowri22 July 2023 at 08:04

      Thanx Hypatia.
      I am a complete novice. Was merely pointing out what was discussed earlier.
      Glad to know ur views.

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