1 - Father returning to the spot to make an assignation (7) - {AP<-}{POINT}
5 - A guy not liking work — a difficult problem! (7) -{OP}{POSER}
9 - Dramas of vehicles! (5) - AUTOS [DD]
10 - People taking in cameras for repair (9) - AMERICANS*
11 - Body of troops (6) - COLUMN [CD]
12 - Made a request that proved attractive (8) - APPEALED [DD]
14 - Language of an Arab country (5) - IRAQI [E]
15 - Adornment not suited to off the shoulder wear (9) - EPAULETTE [CD]
18 - Well people shouldn't take such drugs! (9) - MEDICINES [CD]
20 - French possibly sore at this type of signalling (5) - {M}{ORSE*} Just M for French ?
22 - Swimming race includes part time soldiers (8) - {NA{TA}TION} New word for me
24 - Fool gets in to bet at the old Venetian card game (6) - {B{ASS}ET}
26 - Fighting with energy, but having difficulty (2,1,6) - {IN A SCRAP}{E}
27 - An important business centre on Arkansas river (5) - TULSA [E]
28 - Lawman noted possibly for having contributed to charity (7) - DONATED*(da+noted)
29 - Offended indignation for showing a small dagger (7) - DUDGEON [DD]
1 - The irresolute chairman's lack of control (9) - ANARCHISM*
2 - Congratulate the girl on your knee (7) - {PAT}{ELLA}
4 - Part possibly of a light carriage (4) - TRAP*
6 - A company of lions (5) - PRIDE [E]
7 - Brilliant red garment (7) - SCARLET [CD]
8 - Soldier sad for being slashed (5) - RASED*(re+sad)
13 - Show preference for primitive hospital extension (4,6) - {LEAN TO}{WARD} Primitive what?
16 - Severely criticised skipper on different dates (9) - {LAMB}{ASTED*}
17 - What locomotive spotter does may impair vision (3,6) - {EYE S}{TRAIN}
19 - To alight from carriage, Ted gets into rain stupidly (7) - DETRAIN*
21 - Distraught lovers have the key to find the answer (7) - {RESOLV*}{E}
22 - Diana a spring nymph? (5) - NAIAD*
23 - Implied young woman keeps account properly (5) - {T{AC}IT}
25 - Want the north-eastern edition (4) - {NE}{ED}
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ReplyDeleteHad to confirm from Google that TULSA was on the Arkansas River. EYE S- TRAIN(eyes train), LEAN TO-WARD(lean-to ward) and IN A SCRAP-E really APPEALED (DD) to me. EPAULETTE reminded of the passant which in turn reminded of ‘en passant’, in the passing. Noted that B(ASS)ET was considered a ‘polite’ gambling game. Does this make the clue an ‘&lit’ too, for fools get into bets... (my computer underlines it irrespective of whether I use an ‘a’ or an ’an’ in front of ‘&lit’, if I don’t use the single quotes around it – any thoughts on this, CV ?- probably because &lit is non-standard usage, though it does not underline &lit itself) .
A parting shot at Cricketer (DDS will love this) Bhajji: Instead of using simian or maternal language and getting LAMB-ASTED* in the process, he could have paraphrased Blake: ‘Did he who make the LAMB make thee ?’
BTW, Charles Lamb said ‘Man is a gaming animal.’ Does this mean BASSET is back on the cards.
Did not quite get the anno for AUTOS.
Ajeesh was right on CHIPS yesterday
ReplyDelete13 - Show preference for primitive hospital extension (4,6) - {LEAN TO}{WARD} Primitive what?
ReplyDeleteI think he means a primitive ward, not a pukka one, ie. a lean to.
3 - Show preference for primitive hospital extension (4,6) - {LEAN TO}{WARD} Primitive what? -Primitive type of extension I guess
ReplyDeleteI express dudgeon at Freddie Widgeon running of in a Widgeon seven full of pigeons.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Widgeon 7 seems to be a fictional car mentioned by Plum.
goodmorning
ReplyDeleteis the young woman "tit"? Skipper "Lamb"? i am lost.
good one again. missed out tulsa, natation, and even epaulette a regular here...
mathu
No comments on the first query, Mathu.
ReplyDeleteAllan Lamb.
Mathu,
ReplyDeleteSee the link provided in the main post for young woman.
Kishore,
See the link provided with autos.
Thanks Colonel. for the AUTOS also.
ReplyDeleteMathu
If one uses that three-letter word for a woman, the figure of speech that is used is metonym.
ReplyDeleteTo tell the difference between a metonym and a synecdoche, it may require an Eng Lit student.
Anyway, when Gridman used words such as strumpet, whore, etc, in his clues, a commenter from the UK mentioned here that his view of women was not too edifying.
But never read a setter's mind by the clues that he writes.
So let us absolve the present setter as well even as we question why 'young woman' instead of just 'woman'?
Kishore/Suresh- yes,lean to roof is a primitive type of extension to a building.But I have a doubt-how the word 'hospital' came in between primitive & extension? Is it just that primitive means 'lean to' & hospital extension means ward?
ReplyDeleteCV,Can you pl. tell what synecdoche means? I have only heard it mentioned it by father years ago!
ReplyDeleteKishore-'en passant'is a very rare chess move.Surprised to find it here.Was Allan Lamb English captain?
ReplyDeleteThanks, Deepak for the auto link.
ReplyDeleteCV: I read the setters' minds purely from the angle of unravelling the clue and do not see the need to impute any purpose or rationale behind their selecting a particular annotation or clue word. Young may be superfluos. Bird could have been used, as could have been 'tat's partner'. The selection is best left to the setter's convenience.
Paddy, your last sentence is in line with my understanding. I enjoy Shah-mat and its Baroque version. I understand he was..
The Free Dictionary gives one of the meanings of 'tit' as "Derogatory a girl or young woman"
ReplyDelete@ CV sir
ReplyDeleteThanks for throwing light on the young women.
can u tell me what a metonym and a synecdoche means...i too think it a bit odd about the usage of words whore that too in The Hindu but smiled at the "supporter"s role.
Lamb captained only 3 tests thats why his name not came to mind immediately...
Mathu
Well, 'metonymy' (Gr., 'change of name') is the figure of speech where the name of an attribute of a thing is used for that of the thing itself.
ReplyDelete'crown' for 'king', 'kettle' for the water in it, 'Shakespeare' for his plays.
'Synecdoche' is the figure in which a part is used for the whole ('bread' for food in general), or the whole is used for the part ('India' for the cricket XII).
Now, was I correct when I said above that 23d uses metonymy? Perhaps it should have been 'synecdoche', though 'metonymy' does not seem to be incorrect.
I leave it to my readers to judge.
Deepak
ReplyDeleteI am afraid I don't set great store by the free dictionary. The point I was trying to make is don't older women have the said attribute?
CV,
ReplyDeleteWho are we to judge if the said term is used as a derogatory term for a young woman in some other country. Nobody said anything about who does and does not have the said attribute.
CV Freedictionary is only a collection of entries from various dictionaries. This particular meaning is from Collins.
ReplyDeletesynecdoche |siˈnekdəkē|
ReplyDeletenoun
a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or vice versa, as in Cleveland won by six runs (meaning “Cleveland's baseball team”).
metonym |ˈmetəˌnim|
noun
a word, name, or expression used as a substitute for something else with which it is closely associated. For example, Washington is a metonym for the federal government of the U.S.
The above meanings I have in my American version of OED
CV Sir
ReplyDeleteSorry if it is a dumb question. Where will one place a transferred epithet comparatively?
Shyam. Dumb? I can hardly understand what you mean by 'transferred epithet comparatively'. Maybe I am dumb or not tuned to jargon
ReplyDeleteHi Suresh
ReplyDeleteIn school, I frequently came across 'transferred epithet' as a poetic device. I wanted to know from CV how it compares with synecdoche and metonym :)
I had then assumed the equivalence of transferred epithet with 'Aagupeyar' in Tamil. Now with the knowledge of synecdoche and metonym, the equivalence does not seem to be so straightforward.
ReplyDeleteSuresh
ReplyDeleteThanks. Yes, I know that the free dictionary, like onelook, only gathers material from different dictionaries.
Somehow, I do not like the freedictionary, while I do search sometimes with onelook.
The prejudice might be that the definition I got the first time from whatever source it was in the freedictionary did not satisfy me.
Shyam
ReplyDeleteTransferred epithet is quite different from metonymy or synecdoche.
If you came across the term in school, it is most likely it was in Gray's Elegy.
The ploughman homeward plods his weary way
Here 'weary way' is an instance of transferred epithet.
It is not the way that is weary but the plodder. The epithet or the adjective 'weary' should have really qualified the ploughman but the poet transfers it to the way. Hence the term.
The Elegy has several other famous examples of the figure of speech.
Suresh
ReplyDeleteIt seems that the definitions for the terms that you quote from OED are more accurate. Thanks.