Thursday, 3 October 2013

No 10894, Thursday 03 Oct 2013, Sunnet

 Sunnet at the Golf course today.

ACROSS
1   Grabbed one held by the heads of Special Economic Zone’s Enforcement Directorate (6) SEIZED {S}{E}{1}{Z}{E}{D}
4   Chemical compound obtained when sodium hydroxide perhaps absorbs oxygen and deuterium (8) ALKALOID  {ALKAL{O}I}{D} Had to cheat on this as I never liked chemistry
10 One has the power to cancel Luxemborug’s endless refiling arrangement (9) NULLIFIER {LU+REFILINg}*
11 A mischievous spirit that is one beyond what is expected (5) BOGEY [DD]
12 Ivory producers’ jobs where union forced out amateurs (5) TUSKS T(-a+u)USKS
13 Hood drawn over headless freaks that act as potency controllers (9) DILATANTS {DIL<=}A{muTANTS} A from ? (Addendum - DILUTANTS {DIL<=}{mUTANTS} - See comments)

14 Land for expert to house riot-gear (7) ACREAGE {AC{GEAR*}E}
16 Press club is a symbol of strength (4) IRON [MD]
19 Switch back to play a stroke filled game (4) GOLF <=
21 Compensation includes a second time loss (7) WASTAGE {W{A}{S}{T}AGE}
24 Loose clothes leading to additional boundaries (4,5) PLUS FOURS {PLUS} {FOURS}
25 It has nearly all the information for an African leader (5) SADAT {SA}{DATa} Anno for SA pending - See comments
26 Bird obtained from silver held by half the cricket team (5) EAGLE {E{AG}LEven}
27 Remote places encourage immoral habits among some newcomers (9) PROVINCES {PRO}{VI{N}CES}
28 Reconsider matter about donkeys (8) REASSESS {RE}{ASSES}S Last S from (Addendum - {RE{ASSES}S} - See comments
29 Prevailed over unruly ape inside with this? (6) WEAPON {W{APE*}ON} Semi&lit

DOWN
1   Scrape part scattered in a bunker (4,4) SAND TRAP {SAND} {TRAP}(Addendum - {SAND} {PART}*- See comments)
2   Our silly version is far from the truth (8) ILLUSORY*
3   Sins of The King of Rock & Roll with upset bowels (5) EVILS E(LVI*)S
5   Modelling role with fragrant neck-wear for one who has an attractive personality (7) LORELEI {ROLE*}{LEI}
6   17 for an old rating? (9) ALBATROSS [CD]
7   Member’s instruments (6) ORGANS [DD]
8   Most parched Democrats drink on the street (6) DRYEST {D}{RYE}{ST}
9   A little flier is sent back and forth (6) BIRDIE Anno not clear. [DD] See comments
15 Distance from a nit’s rising head (9) ALOOFNESS {A}{LOOF<=}{NESS}
17 Help one cover a disability (8) HANDICAP {HAND}{1}{CAP}
18 Abandon black offspring with a note within (8) JETTISON {JET}{TI}{SON}
20 A hint of forgiveness to the French father’s blunder (4,3) FAUX PAS {F}{AUX} {PA'S}
21 Generally accepted belief that this is the last of the crushers? (6) WISDOM [DD]
22 Look for a computer program’s sound receiver (6) APPEAR {APP}{EAR} Appear / Look for ?  See comments

23 Animal in boggy ground near Georgia (6) QUAGGA {QUAG}{GA}
25 A part of the insurer housed in a corner (5) SLICE {S{LIC}E}
 

64 comments:

  1. 13a DIL< mUTANTS
    25a It=SA
    28a Matter=RES
    9d I thought the back and forth was a ref to a shuttlecock which is also sometimes called a Birdie. I had half a thought to draw an ex- top cop from Bangalore, now turned into a politician
    22d Look=APPEAR

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  2. Continuing yesterday’s Where Eagles Dare theme, today’s crossie has Lorelei and Eagle

    Special revelation reg. 21d: My W teeth never erupted (rightly, some might say). So I can get a 12.5% discount from my dentist.

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  3. Today’s toon combines 10a with some other words from today’s clues/gridfill. Figure it out ...

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    1. Just utter::NONSENSE and bingo the Cabinet falls !!

      Today's Sunnet's netted me in for almost one hour to crack ! P'haps I did not have the 21down to grind my crushers?

      WISDOM is the clue of my day .


      I had put in WIGGLE Iin place of BIRDIE-- I thought one wiggled one's fingers back and forth? Too pre-occupied to annotate . That made me to put in GELATINES for 13 across, since clue for 6down was having a few printers devils (11across?) sitting in between the words, hence illegible. .-- ALBATROSS was a guess as it could have been AMBITIONS OR AMBITIOUS.

      5 across SA-DAT(A) was ok but where did the SA fit in here? is it a 20 down?

      waiting for others to throw in their comments.

      Land of nod is beckoning me already.

      Have a good solving day.

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    2. It is not 5 ac. Now, this indeed is a 20 dn. (Jus' kidding!)
      For the anno of SADAT, see below.

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    3. Kishore @ 8:32 : Along with 10A, figure out other words related to clues in cartoon. I see 16A and 2D. OK ?

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    4. Correct, MB

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  4. RES is matter as in Res gestae (in Perry Mason books)

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    1. There are similar judicial usages like Res Judicata etc.

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    2. I know 'res' from the phrase 'in medias res', meaning 'into the midst of things.' It is a literary term and refers to the narrative technique of relating a story from the midpoint, rather than the beginning.

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  5. Sunnet has given us a pangram too

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  6. 27D ..... immoral habits among some newcomers = VICES around N
    The clue as it reads would mean the other way, i.e., in and not around

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  7. 5D - those good at yodelling will like this word.

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  8. (from yesterday, after reading a Comment by RajuU)

    1. Do you always get an answer from the clue via step-by-step parsing? I.e., add A and B, get AB; put B in AA and get ABA; hear B for A and get B; etc.?

    2. Would you say that only this method is correct?

    3. What about a certain clue eluding you and your getting the answer after you've got some crossings from other answers? Would you say that this was because the setter used an obscure device for a component and that he should not have used the component that he did? That getting an answer after a delay and seeing the parsing later isn't proper way of solving; if you are forced to do that, would you consider it a failure on the part of the clue-writer?

    4. In other blogs as well as this, sometimes the writer gives an answer and adds that the anno eludes him. Would you expect him not to provide the answer at all as the answer-from-the clue operation isn't working?

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    1. CV, my take on this:

      1) Not always, otherwise everything will be cold-solving and not a crossword. But when you use the checked letters and then get to a possible solution, you should be able to reference it back to the clue and rationalise, only then is it truly solved

      2 and 3) Think my comment on 1 covers it. But when you reverse engineer and it doesn't work, or if there is a flaw, then yes it is a failure on the part of the setter

      4) No, I think the whole purpose of the blog is to share views and learn from others. I have today posted two queries with exactly the same situation. OK the only exception is the Sunday Special, where Deepak's instructions are pretty clear (yet sometimes observed in the breach)

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    2. Thanks.

      The point in my putting down those questions was to emphasise that route 1) may not be possible always. If that route is not available, the solver moves on and after some more fills he goes back to the slot. Now with one or two crossings he rereads the passed-over clue and might now get the answer for it, though it eluded him at first. Thus the process continues.

      If the fodder for the author in the recent clue was not obtained readily, he might have got it later when one or two crossings were available.

      So the setter must not be criticised for the use of the fodder itself.

      Of course, as I said earlier, an obscure, way-out fodder may be dismissed. But we can't say I didn't get the answer via route 1) and so the setter should not have used that fodder.

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  9. SADAT

    It - sexual appeal - SA
    nearly all the information - DAT[a]

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  10. Correspondence on the subject not closed?

    Are the barbs(questions) aimed at me? Others can also respond?

    I duck. So many questions that will remain unanswered until another day. May be,

    I solve at random and that's my bugbear. I wish I could be more systematic. Like anyone else, I get the answers out of my head and use the crossings to fill in the rest. Sometimes, the annotation penny drops and that's my aha moment.
    Any way, all sorts of clues are welcome as they tickle my palate alright.If they are fresh ideas and entertaining, I have a bonus pat on my back for having cracked it.

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  11. Today's Guardian Quick in Metro Plus has this:

    2d Nag a ram (anag) (7)

    Surprising innit?

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  12. Kishore,

    A suggestion for a minor change in the wordings of your excellent cartoon-

    It could be "...to wake up soon.", in stead of "...to arrive soon.". Idea from a cartoon I saw of the legendary Rip Van Winkle!

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    1. I saw that toon too, and did not want this one to be similar

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  13. 21A- 'a' is also to be included in the fodder.

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  14. 22D- Will 'look like' sound better than 'look for'? (to appear)

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    1. 'Look' is def. ''for' is a link.

      Which order do you accept? Or do you accept both?

      Def for wordplay
      Wordplay for def?

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    2. Suppose we could accept both.

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    3. I meant 'look like' as def. for 'appear'. like also serves as link.

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  15. Could not get through today's puzzle. Apart from 27 A which Venkatesh pointed out, unable to grasp anno for 1 D.

    Scrape: SAND? Col has probably missed the anagram sign on PART, if that's what it is.

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    1. 'Sand' as v. means "to smooth or polish with abrasive material, esp sandpaper".

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    2. Got it. Thanks. Did not think of it as a verb.

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    3. Raghu @ 9:45,

      I did get it but forgot to add it will formatting. Have done so now

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  16. 12 Ivory producers’ jobs where union forced out amateurs (5) TUSKS T(-a+u)USKS

    U: Unionist as per Chambers. A: Amateur? Are these from Chambers crossword abbreviations list?

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  17. Scrape- sand- as in sand paper? (for emery sheet)

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  18. Did not see CV's comment about sand paper. Anyway,mine seems to have got in a minute earlier!

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  19. Great drive from Bangalore to Coimbatore in the new Ecosport. The car handled beautifully touching 140 at times on the stretch between Salem and Avinashi, some patches of which reminded me of the roads in the US. Covered the 370 KM from home to home in 6 hours flat which included a 20 minute break for lunch at Adyat Abnanda Bhavan at Dharmapuri. If you consider the half an hour to get out of Bangalore and the half hour spent to get through the Hosur road widening works it actually would take only 5 hours once the entire road widening works get over at Hosur and the patch before and after Avinashi..

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    1. Great. I always dread the lst hour or so of driving back to Bangalore

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  20. In cartoons it's always customary to make certain words illegible so there is no trouble later from any quarter saying that it is not a correct representation.

    Here, for example, OF INDIA should not be so blatant.

    Is this reasonable? Or would I be accused of being unnecessarily careful?

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    1. I did not see any problem since I quoted exactly what was said at that venue. However, out of abundant caution, I am sening an updated version to Deepak with a request to replace it.

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    2. Yesterday I was more subtle. I did not specifically mention the US, when I represented tapering off being followed by shutdown. I hope the readers would have deciphered that.

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  21. 3D : EVILS E(VIL*)S
    King of Rock&Roll, Elvis OK. Am not getting Anno part of ES and VIL* (Sins = Evils)

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    1. ELVIS's bowels ref. to his innards, LVI. Upset that and you get E(VIL*)S as Deepak has annotated it

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    2. The bowels (centre) of ELVIS = LVI
      Upset = anagram of LVI
      E(VIL*}S

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  22. Nice themed one. Agree with the observation on 27A

    Couldn't quite get the anno for 6D. OK could fill the grid, especially with the theme, but how does it come about and is it a CD or a DD? Albatross is a score of 3 under par, and is also an obstacle (which I equated with handicap in 17D). Is it because it is nowadays only referred to as a 'double eagle'? I am not sure though have dabbled in golf.

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  23. Doubt re 7D too: how is Member's = Organs?

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  24. Well, well, well.

    All I can say is that the said member is not a female.

    Please see 'member' in a dictionary.

    Please also see 'organ' in a dictionary.


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    1. I think either I have not made myself very clear or you've missed the point. How do you get to the plural?

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    2. Very sorry. Pardon me.

      I have understood the question now and I will give a considered response in a short while.

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  25. We wouldn't know what the original clue as written was.

    The clue, if rewritten "Members' instruments", would lead to the answer.

    The apostrophe is possessive in the surface reading but as subsidiary indication or in wordplay it is to be ignored.

    This ignoring of apostrophe doesn't work in "Member's"

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    1. That was my thought too CV. Or, with a bit of a stretch, you could say Member+s, ignoring the apostrophe (but would not be that elegant). And if indeed that were the intention, then I think we can easily agree that it would be a charade and not a DD.

      Reason I brought it up is that it goes to the very essence of your post of 8:54 and my comments thereto -- have we really solved the clue?

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    2. Member's instrument (5) for ORGAN might work.

      In surface reading it is: Member has organs. [er. instruments such as guitars or mouth organs)

      In cryptic grammar, it is: "Member is organ" May be considered as DD.

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  26. For the attention of all crossword solvers

    http://www.crypticsingh.com/indian-crossword-league-2013/

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  27. @ BP, DG, Re 6d
    Recall the Rime of the ancient mariner who had an albatross round his neck. Well, handicap foe an old rating is a problem for an ancient mariner ...

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    1. Pl read for in place of foe

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    2. Great Kishore. Trust you to come up with a link most of us could not figure.

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  28. Thanks for the feedback folks.

    27A was an oversight on my part. Apologies for that

    Regds U=Union ( I think that comes from Set theory )
    A = Amateur ( Have seen it Guardian ( Everyman ) as well. Not exactly sure where it comes from

    Albatross was, as Kishore said, a reference to the ancient mariner

    7D : was a charade. with ' being the word separator. It could have been clued as a DD by moving the apostrophe, but thought that the puzzle had enough DDs already


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  29. CV:http://www.crypticsingh.com/indian-crossword-league-2013/

    Interesting and hence interested !

    The site opened up alright but the script on the screen is in very feeble print. So, please keepus updated as to when , where and how and other terms.

    Maybe, the THCC can form a round robin league?

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