ACROSS
1 Spar with selfless ghost! (5) SPRIT SPiRIT
4 Advantage not to mention. (4,5) PLUS POINT[CD] (Addendum - {PLUS}{.} - See comments)
9 Single murder in a mystery? (9) UNMARRIED*
10 Release by the BBC perhaps excludes Austria (5) UNTIEaUNTIE
11 Spanish wine from port of Jamaica! (5) RIOJA {RIO}{JA}
12 Shoplifter damaged clarinets (9) LARCENIST*
13 Overweight playboy suppresses illegal ties (7) OBESITY {OB{TIES*}Y*}
15 Garden of fruit trees or leaf beet? (7) ORCHARD {OR}{CHARD}
18 Abstains from key heartless Hebrews (7) ESCHEWS {ESC}{HEbreWS}
20 Demolish criminal’s hideout stuffed with money (7) CONDEMN {CON}{DE{M}N}
21 Found growing mammals in troubled isle of Hungary (9) ESTABLISH {ES{BAT<=}LIS*}{H}
23 Batsmen regularly follow United Kingdom or Russian Rule (5) UKASE {UK}{bAtSmEn}
25 Gravedigger’s heart-rending song (5) DIRGE {DIGgER}* Semi&lit
26 Modern art by Paul on stylish canvas (9) TARPAULIN {ART*}{PAUL}{IN}
27 Fool into power pressure to sort out papers (9) PASSPORTS {P}{ASS}{P}{SORT*}
28 Senior comes back during Red Letter Day (5) ELDER [T<=]
DOWN
1 The situation to return when your efforts fail (6,3) SQUARE ONE [CD]
2 Strong punch with peculiar smell? (5) RUMBO {RUM}{BO}
3 Avert ideas (4,5) TURN ASIDE {IDEAS}* [RA]
4 Material partly gutted around corridor (7) PAISLEY {Part{AISLE}lY}
5 One in France/Germany therefore gets experience (7) UNDERGO{UN}{DER}{GO} (Addendum - {UN}{D}{ERGO} - See comments)
6 Training includes jog to get shape (5) PRUNE {P{RUN}E}
7 Loosely interact with some inferiority complex (9) INTRICATE {INTERACT+In...y}*
8 Abstinent swallowed small comment on social network (5) TWEET {T{WEE}T}
14 Ace setter designed additional things (9) ETCETERAS*
16 Commission of clues, not a difficulty (9) CONSULATE*
17 Head of correction centre gone underground! (9) DUNGEONER {GONE+UNDER}*
19 Trick to break into pieces without Proton (7) SLINTER SpLINTER
20 Free chat rooms (not in the morning) for groups (7) COHORTS {CHaT+ROOmS}*
21 Arrive at last state (3,2) END UP {END}{UP}
22 It prevents words in objectionable episodes (5) BLEEP [T] &lit
24 We aren’t allowed to freehold property (5) ALLOD ALLOweD
Reference List
Austria = A, Jamaica = JA, Key = ESC, Money = M, Hungary = H, Power = P, Pressure = P, Smell = BO(Body odour), Training = PE, Germany = D, Proton = P, State = UP(Uttar Pradesh)
1 Spar with selfless ghost! (5) SPRIT SP
4 Advantage not to mention. (4,5) PLUS POINT
9 Single murder in a mystery? (9) UNMARRIED*
10 Release by the BBC perhaps excludes Austria (5) UNTIE
11 Spanish wine from port of Jamaica! (5) RIOJA {RIO}{JA}
12 Shoplifter damaged clarinets (9) LARCENIST*
13 Overweight playboy suppresses illegal ties (7) OBESITY {OB{TIES*}Y*}
15 Garden of fruit trees or leaf beet? (7) ORCHARD {OR}{CHARD}
18 Abstains from key heartless Hebrews (7) ESCHEWS {ESC}{HE
20 Demolish criminal’s hideout stuffed with money (7) CONDEMN {CON}{DE{M}N}
21 Found growing mammals in troubled isle of Hungary (9) ESTABLISH {ES{BAT<=}LIS*}{H}
23 Batsmen regularly follow United Kingdom or Russian Rule (5) UKASE {UK}{
25 Gravedigger’s heart-rending song (5) DIRGE {DIG
26 Modern art by Paul on stylish canvas (9) TARPAULIN {ART*}{PAUL}{IN}
27 Fool into power pressure to sort out papers (9) PASSPORTS {P}{ASS}{P}{SORT*}
28 Senior comes back during Red Letter Day (5) ELDER [T<=]
DOWN
1 The situation to return when your efforts fail (6,3) SQUARE ONE [CD]
2 Strong punch with peculiar smell? (5) RUMBO {RUM}{BO}
3 Avert ideas (4,5) TURN ASIDE {IDEAS}* [RA]
4 Material partly gutted around corridor (7) PAISLEY {P
5 One in France/Germany therefore gets experience (7) UNDERGO
6 Training includes jog to get shape (5) PRUNE {P{RUN}E}
7 Loosely interact with some inferiority complex (9) INTRICATE {INTERACT+I
8 Abstinent swallowed small comment on social network (5) TWEET {T{WEE}T}
14 Ace setter designed additional things (9) ETCETERAS*
16 Commission of clues, not a difficulty (9) CONSULATE*
17 Head of correction centre gone underground! (9) DUNGEONER {GONE+UNDER}*
19 Trick to break into pieces without Proton (7) SLINTER S
20 Free chat rooms (not in the morning) for groups (7) COHORTS {CH
21 Arrive at last state (3,2) END UP {END}{UP}
22 It prevents words in objectionable episodes (5) BLEEP [T] &lit
24 We aren’t allowed to freehold property (5) ALLOD ALLO
Reference List
Austria = A, Jamaica = JA, Key = ESC, Money = M, Hungary = H, Power = P, Pressure = P, Smell = BO(Body odour), Training = PE, Germany = D, Proton = P, State = UP(Uttar Pradesh)
Dr RKE's TalePiece
The Battle of Penang
Cmdr. Baron I A Cherkassov, ELDER was the captain of the Russian ship Zhemchug anchored in Penang port in 1914. He was UNMARRIED and had gone ashore to the Eastern and Oriental Hotel in Georgetown one night to be with his mistress who served his favorite RIOJA and PRUNEs. That night she was decked in a ravishing PAISLEY dress with an INTRICATE pattern, which he was eager to UNTIE. Before they could END UP in bed, there was a BLEEP on his radio. He knew something was wrong with his ship but as he had left his PASSPORT in the ship, he could not return to the port at night. He had to wait for the CONSULATE to open in the day to find a way back to the ship. The PLUS POINT was they were in a seafront suite in the hotel and he could watch his ship from the window.
He saw a ship that had the ensignia of a British vessel HMS Yarmouth on its SPRIT approach his ship Zhemchug. Since he thought it was a friendly vessel, he did not try and ESTABLISH radio contact with his men on Zhemchug. He TURNed ASIDE from the window, towards his lady love, when he heard a loud cannon fire. The men on Zhumchug, already high on RUMBO, were taken by surprise. The ship attacking them was actually the German light cruiser SMS Emden. Its captain Lt. Cmdr. Karl von Müller, had resorted to the SLINTER of disguising it to resemble the British vessel. The drunk COHORT on Zhumchug were CONDEMNed to watch helplessly as the German shells ripped the TARPAULIN and the final torpedo sank the Russian vessel. Cherkassov had to UNDERGO a court-martial and would have been left to the mercies of a pitiless DUNGEONER, but for the Tsar, Nikolai II Alexandrovich Romanov, who issued an UKASE, commuting the sentence to a lowering of rank. Cherkassov once again had to work his way up from SQUARE ONE but he finally distinguished himself in the war and was decorated with the Cross of St. George.
PS: This account is slightly spiced up version of the original, which you can read at
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Penang
4a not to mention = plus
ReplyDelete. = point
You are right, Prasad!
DeleteI can't decode this.
DeleteLook at the full stop after mention.
DeleteI had to search and look closely even after your reply. Good one.Full stops do matter in a CW.
DeleteThanks RKE for the most satisfying story.
ReplyDeleteKKR garu, last time you had wished that I write a battle related tale for your crossword. So this tale. Happy you liked it as much as I enjoyed doing your crossword. ALLDO was the last to fall
DeleteNice of you to have remembered and fulfilled.
DeleteThat's why I said - it was most satisfying.
DeleteBut the beginning was little kinky and one can't stop reading further.
Thanks again. Keep it up.
The French, UK, Russia and German all involved. Like hypatia said, makes it look like the setter had chosen the theme. ✋
DeleteSuperb effort KKR. Hats off to you! Enjoyed every minue of it.
ReplyDeleteI never thought I will be anywhere near completion when I started out. Looked like all Greek & Latin. Then,one by one,letter by letter,everything fell in place (except 19D- Slinter)
Tarpaulin,Eschews,Paisely.....the list goes on.
Thanks Paddy!
DeleteReal story modified! Great Dr.RKE. We have gone back in time to WWI.
ReplyDeleteNot entirely modified! Some still believe the mistress version.
DeleteA month before the battle of Penang, Emden had bombed Madras port. This has given rise to the expression 'emden' in Tamil to mean several things like 'expert', 'trickster', 'ruthless person' etc!
ReplyDeleteIn Telugu Emden used to be used to mean something/someone strong or stubborn.
DeleteYes. So also in Tamil
DeleteDr. is roo right .....often the meaning of emden is hard to conquer.
DeleteA good puzzle as ever from KKR and very enjoyable too.
ReplyDeleteThanks MB!
DeleteHow to decode 5Dn? UNDERGO, I guess the presence of the word "therefore" in the clue means ERGO, so "UN+D+ERGO" (D must be for Deutschland/Germany).
ReplyDeleteYou got it right, Vanchinathan!
DeleteI thought ground is the past tense of grind and used as an anagram indicator. The anagram fodder being gone under as indicated rightly in pink by the Colonel in the main blog
ReplyDeleteYes, Sir! The exclamation mark at the end is intended for "reading in between lines!"
DeleteNice story RKE. You manage to come up with such wonderful things. I want to ask you one thing. Do you write your piece after seeing the puzzle and solution words. Or do you pre-determine the theme and fit the words of the day into your narrative? ("mettukku paatta" or "paattukku metta?")
ReplyDeletePre-determined is risky! Pudicha cut-out, pudikelena get-out.
DeleteSpoonerism again ?
Delete@vanchinathan...I too had the same doubt....but RKE, a versatile with bunch of skills.
DeleteI write down the solutions in order after completing the puzzle. Usually one word jumps out as the starting point, from which I start writing the rest of the story. Today, it was UKASE and SLINTER. In my other passion of music, I do both 'tune for lyric' and 'lyric for tune'!
ReplyDeleteDoctor with CW & music as passion- a great combination.
ReplyDeleteI notice a touch of Arden in the following clues! 1A Selfless, 13A Playboy and 17D Underground.
ReplyDeleteClever play! I like them.
In relation to the comment above here is one.
ReplyDeleteCold in prison (5)
Thanks MB for noticing this. This is a regular word play in cryptic crossie now.
DeleteGood spotting MB.
DeleteAny takers for the clue in question above?
DeleteI know it
DeleteC+AGED.
DeleteSorry but personally do not find these clever, fair or interesting. Just gimmicky.
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DeleteThat clue was lifted from several lift-and-separate clues!
Deleteif we accept that then it would easy to prove sex is sold!
DeleteHaha
DeleteJust for some fun, on the subject of 'lift' and 'separate' clues etc!
DeleteA dad was depressed, so he went to the liquor store
He bought some whiskey, and tequila
When he got home, he set them on the table
His son immediately picked up both bottles
The dad asks "What are you doing?!"
The son responds "You were sad, so I'm lifting your spirits"
Good one MB
DeleteDr RKE, I am really glad that you're commenting here now though you may have been seeing the blog for several years in the past.
ReplyDeleteI too like music and often attend converts. Apart from compiling crosswords, for a couple of months now I have been noting down lyrics after listening to Tamil Carnatic songs - am reaching the 150 mark. I am also translating Tamil stories of a writer whom I met at a literary meeting last month, just four or five out of 25 still to go. I am testing a crossword solver app by a UK computer student and am giving him feedback that he highly appreciates. You know, we have had S and Bs with members coming from outstations. Do tell us when you come to Madras. Or we can have one in Bombay or Delhi. I would like to meet you.
It would be my pleasure to meet you Sir, but we have to wait for this coronavirus cloud to lift.
DeleteI've corresponded with Vanchinathan but I have not met the maths Prof and pioneering compiler of Tamil cryptic crosswords in standard blocked symmetric grids. He lives here in Chennai.
ReplyDeleteWould be glad to meet you sir, a veteran of crosswords, and enthusiastic persons like RKE and a myriad of talented people who haunt this blog! I am available in Chennai mostly. (In May if Coronovirus gives a break I'll be away from Chennai for summer vacation.) We can plan a meeting.
DeleteIt is delightful to note the presence of luminaries here in the blog. Probably, we should organise a meet in Chennai.
DeleteLooking forward to the meet- corona permitting.
ReplyDeleteA few new words for me today.. SPRIT, SLINTER, PAISLEY. I liked the Clues for 13A, 25A, 3D and 17D. Thank you KKR for a wonderful crossword.
ReplyDeleteThanks Nagendra Prasad
DeleteWe will have to wait till this Corona Virus is wiped out before we can think of an S&B Meet
ReplyDeletewiped out? or flattened!
DeleteYes Col, that is a precondition for any such move
DeleteLoved and enjoyed today's crossword simply for its brevity. I was wondering who this new setter, Karaoke is, coming out with such lovely crispy clues. Happy to note that it is none other than our own KKR. Thanks KKR, for filling the void created by Bhavan in The Hindu.
ReplyDeleteThanks Rengaswamy Sir!
DeleteI am still in learning stages. Long way to go to reach anywhere near our experts.
If learning stages can be this good, well...I can't imagine!
DeleteKKRgaru, it has been a pleasure solving your puzzle, particularly when words are falling in place, some readily and a few with a little effort.
ReplyDeleteThanks Raogaru!
DeleteThough I had problem with the IPad,as it was the answers were overlapping on all the blanks with X , I managed to complete the grid which was very ably constructed. Thanks KKR garu.
ReplyDeleteThanks Rajugaru
DeleteEasy,enjoyable puzzle with some unusual words: allod, slinter. Thanks, Karaoke!
ReplyDeleteThanks Amita!
DeleteKKR, enjoyed a lot with the puzzles and entirely different versions. simply cracked a few and rest unable to take up today. as our veterans have mentioned we are eager to meet all in S & B meet. Thanks to Col and KKR. Have a gr8 day.
ReplyDeleteThanks Prasanna Rao!
DeleteMissed out on lots of fun, some interesting discussion too.
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed the Tale piece, Me's bleep and MB's joke on lifting spirits as much as the puzzle.
Do agree with Satyen Nabar on the usage of elission. The setter could have used Under ground and Play boy with a space and the clues still would have been same.
PS:difficult nowadays for me to comment early. Project work and hectic time.
DeleteLiked the clues for Bleep and Condemn.
ReplyDeleteWhile there are many things nice that have been said, a few points occur to me that bear mention, purely with good intentions. Kindly look at it as constructive criticism. Please remember my comments are about the clues as I see them, not the setter --
28A The hidden word must be completely hidden on both sides. What is the role of 'Day' in the clue?
25A Digger's heart means Heart of 'Digger' not heart of 'Diggers'. My opinion about combining Anag ind and fodder is already clear. Not in favour of such gimmicks. Same goes for 13A, 17D. Perhaps one such clue in a crossword might be ok with an appropriate question mark. Three is too many.
20D Not in the morning. AM has to be together in the word for deletion, not separate.
21A Growing as reversal ind in an Across clue? Avoidable. 'Of' is extraneous.
27D 'To' is extraneous. It is not a connector in a charade.
11A Why the exclamation mark.
26A Gifting a 4-letter word in a 9-letter answer doesn't excite.
23A On the surface reading, I cannot see any connection between Batsmen and Russian rule? Is there any such rule they have to follow?
15A 2D Why the Question Marks at the end of the clues?
1A "Spar with selfless ghost"... on a lighter note...this is the first time I have heard of a ghost being described as Selfless? That leads me to wonder if there is a difference in technique between sparring with a selfless ghost as opposed to sparring with a selfish ghost... :)
Thanks Doctor for your elaborate analysis. I always feel when someone here makes a comment on particular clue or clues, it is in the best interest of setter only but not against the setter individually. So, I don't take anything personal here.
DeleteMy responses to your points:
28Ac "Red Letter Day" is an inseparable group of words and available in almost all the dictionaries in this way. So, I don't think it is unfair to use it here, although under normal construction rule, there should be no extra word/words in a telescopic clue.
25Ac Thanks for point out this. In fact, I have been waiting for a question on this clue from the morning. The fact is-I have noticed this inconsistency in the clue and immediately asked TH to replace the clue with another one. Unfortunately, that was not carried out. So, yes. It had its own built-in error. Apologies for this lapse to the solvers, although they could get it.
20D When it is a case of deletion of letters, I have come across clues where the letters are not adjacent. So, I haven't considered it to be incorrect.
21Ac Agree for first part. But how "of"is extraneous, I need more inputs.
27D I presume you meant 27AC. Noted.
11Ac Exclamation is it is Spanish wine and coming from Jamaica[another country]
26AC I know cluing Paul is a freebie but Paul [Robert Paul] is a painter by himself and will go well with surface.
23Ac I felt it has good surface reading as my intention was game rule.
15A/2D They are intended for misdirection.
Interesting points for solvers also to keep in mind.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the blog Colonel and for the crossword KKR garu. Like some others have mentioned, I also liked the fact that you kept surfaces crisp and the difficulty level fairly low allowing many solvers to be able solve it fairly easily. However, as pointed out very lucidly by Dr Nabar, there were some fundamental flaws in some of the clues which can be focused upon by you for improvement in future.
ReplyDelete28A Although "Red letter day" maybe a popular term, fodder for hidden word clues should be fully enclosed, as pointed out by Doctor. We just have to resist the temptation to use these and work harder to find terms that can indeed be used within the framework of acceptability, even if that means we have to let go of a brilliant idea.
20D The test for acceptability is fairness to solvers rather than precedence. I don't agree that we can use "not in the morning" to delete A and M appearing randomly from a clue. It can be used only if "AM" appears together. By using a synonym for AM and indicating that AM* is being deleted makes it comparable to an "indirect" anagram. Again some publications do accept these clues, but it is well known that these are not considered fair to solvers and not endorsed in crosswords following Ximenean principles.
21A In this clue we have Isle “of” Hungary. As a connector in clues, the accepted format for using “of” is “ Definition” of “Wordplay”. The standard connectors for different components of a charade are “and”, “with” etc. The point made by Dr. Nabar is that "When we have various components of a charade that need to be strung together, as in this clue, the “of” does not work". Similarly in 27A, “to” is used inappropriately.
15A/2D Question marks have a very specific use in cryptics. They are used to alert the solvers that there is something unusual about the surface of the clue that needs a second read. Some of the ellision clues indeed merit a question mark at a minimum, but these are missing. They really have no room in a standard charade clue, unless it happens to be framed as a question, in which case, it is ok. They dont serve as a signal of misdirection in standard clues. On the contrary they are alerts to the solvers to look for misdirection, where there is actual misdirection.
I have noted a few more comments on some of the indicators used such as "grave" as anagrind, and the syntax of Reverse Anagram clues. However, we can take it up as a one on one discussion separately. Thanks for taking the trouble to understand the points raised by fellow setters and do correct me in case I have misunderstood something about the clues. We would all benefit from these intellectual discussions and clarifying it for ourselves as well as the solvers.
Perfectly analysed.
DeleteThanks Doctor👍
Delete👍 Good comments
DeleteMany thanks for all your comments and I am taking them for my future actions.
DeleteSorry for not responding last night as I was busy with relatives.
Thanks for responding KKR.
ReplyDelete28A The hidden word still has to be hidden at both ends.
21A Isle near/beside/alongside/in front of Hungary.. all good. Isle of Hungary not so much.
20A The argument can hardly be I have seen it in some clues, my friend. I might have seen a case of breaking and entering. That does not mean I can break and enter too.
11A Let me quote what CV Sir sent me on email when I had used an exclamation in a clue in diy cow for a clue-writing contest. "There is NEVER any need for a cryptic clue to end with an exclamation mark"
15A/2D Misdirections in cryptic clues are not achieved by insertions of question marks. Where none exist.
Rgd 28a: can we make a distinction between T and hidden? a T always starts at a origin and extends from the other side. A reverse T, by my understanding, should follow the same in reverse. A hidden clue cannot of course start or end from either side.
DeleteAlso when as a solver I have seen repeated use of some type of cluing (assuming there is no template given by THC. Would love if it exists and request col to post it on the blog for greater good) its natural to assume its allowed. In the example by doc, there is a written law against breaking and entering. Given the richness of THC experience here, may be we can codify one such from discussions on blog and submit to THC!
Thanks again Doctor. I will keep your points in mind.
DeleteI am not aware of any such Template. As far as I see it I don't see any crime being committed if a hidden word is not closed at both ends! So what if it is open at one end? Will the sky fall on your head?
DeleteDear Col Sir, even if we commit an actual crime, the sky will not fall on our heads, leave alone that it would if a hidden word was left open.
DeleteIt is only a matter of whether the rule that the hidden word should be completely contained exists or not. I feel it should be completely contained but of course as always, I am ready to keep an open mind for discussion. Thanks.
Fascinating discussion! Thanks for these insights into crossword-setting rules. As solvers, we internalise these norms and it's hard for us to articulate why a particular clue wasn't satisfying. It's enlightening to have the grammar explained.
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