Friday 8 April 2022

No 13525, Friday 08 Apr 2022, Anon

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ACROSS
1   Initially run into obstinate feeder (6) TROUGH {T{Run}OUGH}
4   In ship, take rum, fish (6) SKATES {S{TAKE*}S}
9   Incomplete utopian concept (4) IDEA IDEAl
10 Calm siesta during downpour for journalist (10) RESTRAINED {REST}{RAIN}{ED}
11 Stick to firm at this place (6) COHERE {CO}{HERE}
12 Car chain can be chaotic (8) ANARCHIC*
13 Clumsily sets pedal on platforms (9) PEDESTALS*
15 Cleanse tipsy siren (5) RINSE*
16 Strikes with sashes (5) BELTS [DD]
18 Lightening using a gas contraption (9) ASSUAGING*
22 Familiarise confused mascot with Copper implant (8) ACCUSTOM {AC{CU}STOM*}
23 Euphoric editor takes in the departed (6) ELATED {E{LATE}D}
25 Hear matron break down about long distance runner (10) MARATHONER*
26 Starts to garound lake after carnival (4) GALA Acrostic
27 Believer begins the robbery (6) THEIST {The}{HEIST}
28 Appeals with ornaments (6) CHARMS [DD]

DOWN
1   Small amount of support for frog’s offspring (7) TADPOLE {TAD}{POLE}
2   Talk of love for speed (5) ORATE {0}{RATE}
3   Supply insides of man’s piece of clothing (7) GARMENT {G{ARM}ENT}
5   Asian is alright, returns near accident (6) KOREAN {OK<=}{NEAR*}
6   Shivering, nearly drop protected magician (9) TWITCHING {T{WITCH}INGe}
7   Initially, some pieces create breed (7) SPECIES {Some}{PIECES*}
8   Melts absinthe cocktail at store (13) ESTABLISHMENT*
14 Company of odd dean out in a riot? Madness! (9) ENTOURAGE {dEaN}{OUT*}{RAGE}
17 Attract teens regularly with slogan (7) ENCHANT {tEeNs}{CHANT}
19 Dig up her aunt’s wreck (7) UNEARTH*
20 Irritates unnecessarily, not sly (7) NEEDLES NEEDLESsly
21 Desires setbacks, not at first (6) ITCHES hITCHES
24 Ire at collapse of range (5) ANGER*

Reference List
Ship = SS, Journalist = ED


57 comments:

  1. 4a. SKATES=fish ss=ship rum=anagrid, (S{TAKE}*S)
    9a. IDEA=concept utopian=IDEAL-L (incomplete = deletion ind)
    23a. ELATED=euphoric ED=editor LATE=departed E+LATE+D
    27a.THEIST=believer, T=the HEIST=robbery T+HEIST
    17d.ENCHANT=attract, tEeN=regularly = EN, CHANT=slogan EN+CHANT

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  2. 16a. BELTS = Strikes
    From sash = belt

    18a ASSUAGING = Lightening
    Anagram of using a gas
    Contraption - anind

    27a. THEIST = Believer
    Begins The = T + heist =
    robbery

    3d. GARMENT = Piece of clothing
    Supply =. Arm, inside man =
    Gent

    14d. ENTOURAGE = Company
    Odd Dean out = En
    In a riot, Out = tou
    Madness = rage

    En+tou+rage

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  3. For 27a already annotated

    21d. ITCHES = Desires
    Setbacks = hitches (-) h (not at
    first deletion ind) = itches

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  4. 8Ac ESTABLISHMENT. Defn- store.
    {MELTS ABSINTHE}*
    5dn KOREAN. defn- Asian. {OK<=}{NEAR}*
    20dn NEEDLES. defn- irritates. {NEEDLESS LY (-SLY)}
    28ac CHARMS . [DD]
    18ac ASSUAGING. defn- Lightening. {USING A GAS}*

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  5. 19D. UNEARTH - her + aunt anagram
    7D. SPECIES - initially some = S + PIECES

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  6. 10a. RESTRAINED - REST(siesta) + RAIN (downpour) + ED (journalist)

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  7. Is Anon a synonym of Incognito?!!

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    1. I had a driving school ranking for setters a whille back.
      Incognito:instructor led training
      Anon:the first self drive with instructor beside
      Lightning: self drive in the test area
      Gridman:exam in the driving school
      Dr.X first exam after training
      Buzzer/nyerta: tentative early morning drives
      Krisscross/karoke/hyparia: regular day driving
      Arden: rush hour driving
      Xchequer: 8 lane junction driving
      Hyderabadi driving: since absent.

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    2. You rate Hyderabadi driving more difficult than 8 lane junction driving?

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    3. कौन कहा से आयेगा पता ही नही चलता।
      At junction you are atleast aware for the possibility.

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    4. With varied schools of thought, are you sure one will get licence at last? Haha

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    5. You did not rate wordplougher?

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    6. As I said it was sometime back I did this prompted by a discussion here.

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    7. I think I have been amply berated. So, don't mind not being rated. :)

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    8. That was funny. That's the spirit too. 👍

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  8. 12A anarchic anagram of car chain

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  9. 22a accustom from mascot and cu for copper

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  10. 25a marathoner anagram of hear matron

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  11. 27a theist believer from T and heist

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  12. 11a cohere company co and here at this place

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  13. 13A PEDESTALS = platforms (sets pedal)*

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  14. 1D TADPOLE = frogs offspring, ( small amount = )tad, ( support=) pole

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  15. 2D ORATE = talk (love=)o, (for speed=)rate

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  16. 2d - Talk of love for speed (5)
    Love = O
    Speed = Rate

    Talk = ORATE

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  17. 15 Cleanse tipsy siren (5)

    Tipsy - anagrind
    Rearrange SIREN to RINSE

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  18. 26 Starts to Go Around Lake After carnival (4)

    GALA

    Letters capitalized in the clue

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  19. 6 Shivering, nearly drop protected magician (9)

    Magician WITCH
    Answer TWITCHING

    1 Initially run into obstinate feeder (6)
    Obsitinate - ROUGH
    Answer - TROUGH which means feeder

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  20. 1A. {T{R}OUGH}
    6D. {T{WITCH}ING -e}

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  21. 1A - Obstinate = Tough
    Initially Run means take R as first letter
    INTO means R is inside Tough
    Answer is TROUGH

    Apologies for wrong Anno on 1A

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  22. 6D - Shivering in present continuous - Hence ING at the end
    Not sure where T came in TWITCHING

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  23. Very easy to solve but cryptic grammar is wrong in several clues

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    1. 10a I was totally lost with "during" and "for"

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    2. Was sleeping.

      10 Calm siesta during downpour for journalist (10) RESTRAINED {REST}{RAIN}{ED}

      During and for are redundant and affect wordplay

      11 Stick to firm at this place (6) COHERE {CO}{HERE}
      To is redundant as CO is not a verb. Definition to wordplay

      13 Clumsily sets pedal on platforms (9) PEDESTALS*

      Wordplay on definition

      25 Hear matron break down about long distance runner (10) MARATHONER*

      About is redundant if break down is anagrind

      27 Believer begins the robbery (6) THEIST {The}{HEIST}

      How is begins the = T? Begin is not a noun. Should have been “beginning of the” for the cryptic grammar

      1   Small amount of support for frog’s offspring (7) TADPOLE {TAD}{POLE}

      Of is redundant between the wordplay elements

      2   Talk of love for speed (5) ORATE {0}{RATE}

      For is redundant. A for B is not AB

      8   Melts absinthe cocktail at store (13) ESTABLISHMENT*

      Wordplay at definition

      24 Ire at collapse of range (5) ANGER*

      Definition at wordplay

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    3. Ajeesh - sorry for asking this. But what is definition at wordplay & wordplay at definition?
      Kindly explain or tell me where to read it up.
      Thanx

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    4. Sorry. Wordplay on definition.
      I understood what u mean - but why is it cryptically wrong?

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    5. Connector (used between wordplay and definition) should convey that wordplay leads to definition or definition derived from wordplay. The below formats don’t convey that

      Wordplay at definition, definition at wordplay, wordplay on definition, definition on wordplay

      The below formats are fine (just giving 2 examples)

      Wordplay for definition
      Definition from wordplay

      Ideally one should avoid connectors as much as possible

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    6. I think i understood. Should look at more examples.
      Thanx.

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    7. Ajeesh’s points are on point. We should avoid these as setters.
      Also there are some nounal anagrinds (18A, 5D, 8D, 19D), and redundant connectors in DD clues (28A, 16A, 28A). Experienced setters have advised me to avoid connectors in double-definition clues in general.
      In 3 Down, my opinion is that ‘insides of’ works as a central-letters-picking ind, but looks awkward as an insertion indicator.
      In 6D, would have personally revised ‘protected’ to ‘protecting’.

      But just to be fair and add my two cents, we shouldn't blame Anon for any of these. Setters are as much beset by life’s troubles as solvers are. Plus, they are working hard to be creative for the enjoyment of solvers. Besides, as Colonel’s blog has taught me so far, as long as solvers are ultimately able to successfully suss out every clue on their own steam, imperfect cryptic grammar is not the worst thing in life?

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    8. Is there any problem with nounal anagrinds?

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    9. Yes. Totally ie unless one can find a supposedly noun but has equivalent in any semantic forms!

      In strict sense
      " noun is not a semantic category, so it cannot be characterized in terms of its meaning."


      But nounal "actions and states of existence can also be expressed by verbs, qualities by adjectives, and places by adverbs."

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  24. Last to go was 21D and now centum! Nice clues with lots of his favourite anagrams, enjoyable!

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  25. 22A: Familiarise (def) = accustom -> CU in (MASCOT)*
    Anagrind: confused; insertion indicator: implant

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  26. 5d - (OK<--)+(NEAR*) = KOREAN
    alright - OK & returns - KO ; NEAR*

    Forgotten to press publish button. Though I solved could not post in-time. Accidenty my choice and AJ mam's choice matches often. Thanks to Anon and col.sir for friday's special.

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